As time goes on, of course, other ones will come up as we review and examine the entire Capitol.

Mr. FAZIO. We now have a complete catalog of what our needs are. It is a matter of working our way through?

Mr. WHITE. Yes, sir. The one in the Rotunda is very expensive to restore.

Mr. FAZIO. Are we doing this in-house?

Mr. WHITE. No, this would be done outside by trained conservators who are in the business of doing this work. I had forgotten about the Brumidi fresco in the Rotunda.

Mr. FAZIO. People will also be bidding on the work at the Library of Congress.

Mr. WHITE. To some degree. The restoration of art work in the Library will be done by these same kinds of people.

Mr. CONTE. How about the artists who did the murals in the halls on the first floor?

Mr. WHITE. That is really different. It is really a different process to conserve art, that is, to restore it, than it is to apply it anew. To some degree the same kind of artistic talent is needed, but the knowledge of how to go about restoring it is a little bit more complicated than it is to apply it to begin with.

On the other hand, this particular man, Cliff Young, who is doing the new work could possibly do some of this. He has done some other restoration work for us here in the building, both on paintings and on the walls, and he might be a likely candidate. Mr. CONTE. Have you talked to Cliff?

Mr. WHITE. No, he is working very diligently on the next corridor, the corridor outside the Majority Leader's Office. That is the last one in which murals are to be done and he has been engaged by the Capitol Historical Society to carry on Cox's work for that corridor. He is going to be pretty busy doing that.

So he probably won't have the time to spend on this.

PROFESSIONAL REQUIREMENTS OF CONSERVATORS

Mr. CARROLL. Conservators are professionals, as Mr. White indicated, that are specially trained for that activity. There are only three institutions in the country that train art conservators. The creative artist is another function that does not include the scientific knowledge needed for restoring, such as the chemistry of paint and that sort of thing. That is why work on great works of fine art of this nature requires professional conservators generally. Mr. CONTE. Have you consulted with the Smithsonian?

Mr. WHITE. Yes, sir.

Mr. CONTE. I am on the Board of Regents, and I know we do a lot of conservation work.

Mr. CARROLL. There is an excellent conservation lab at the Smithsonian. I represent Mr. White on the National Institute for Conservation, which is headquartered at the Smithsonian and we rely heavily on their knowledge in that field.

COMPLETION OF CORRIDOR MURALS

Mr. HIGHTOWER. Mr. White, when will the scaffolding be put up in front of the Majority Leader's Office?

Mr. WHITE. That will probably be another year, easily another year. Cliff Young is working on the full-sized cartoons expanding the Cox small sketches which are mounted, incidentally, on the wall in the majority leaders reception room those little sketches in his office were made by Cox. Young is making full-sized drawings of those. Some of those I have recently reviewed. He is being paid directly by the Capitol Historical Society and then the Capitol Historical Society is in the process of raising the funds for the final work, which will be a substantial amount of money. It will be a minimum of another year before that begins.

Mr. HIGHTOWER. Well, buy a few more calendars.
Mr. WHITE. Yes, sir.

RESPONSIBILITY OF ARCHITECT

Mr. FAZIO. Is it the responsibility of the Architect to maintain all of the art that is acquired or paid for initially by the Historical Society?

Mr. WHITE. Yes.

Mr. FAZIO. In other words, once it has been donated?

Mr. WHITE. Yes, sir.

Mr. FAZIO. Then you take over the maintenance of the program? Mr. WHITE. Yes, sir, it becomes the property of the government and then we have to maintain it.

Mr. FAZIO. It would be logical to assume we will have an increasing workload as time goes on?

Mr. WHITE. That is right.

Mr. FAZIO. Personally I would probably speak for the committee in saying, we would not be opposed to seeing a modest annual appropriation for ongoing upkeep and restoration.

Mr. WHITE. Well, as you know, we have an annual item for maintenance of works of art.

Mr. FAZIO. We are talking about wall paintings.

Mr. WHITE. That is right. We use some of that even for small areas of this kind, but this is so much we can't handle it out of that annual appropriation.

Mr. FAZIO. Well, I think we really should be doing both. I don't believe there is anybody who wants to let any of the art, portraits, art or wall paintings fall into a state of disrepair.

Mr. WHITE. No, sir. To reiterate what Elliott Carroll said, that I had overlooked, and which is in the justifications, the Rotunda painting, which is up in the eye of the dome needs restoration badly and we thought we would save that for another time. It is going to be very expensive and very difficult to do.

Mr. LEWIS. It does need extensive repairs.

Mr. WHITE. It does.

Mr. FAZIO. Mr. Boland wanted to know if the Lunettes are going to be taken down?

Mr. WHITE. No, no. It will be done in place.

Mr. FAZIO. I have a question for the record.

[The question and response follow:]

Question. There is a $220,000 request for the conservation of wall paintings. Why should this work be done now?

Response. The existing condition of the wall paintings and murals included in this request warrants immediate attention. Their poor condition prompted this office to

have these paintings surveyed by an art conservator to determine the extent of deterioration and recommend conservation methods to improve their condition. In some instances, badly cupped and flaked paint and surface dirt diminish the aesthetic value of the works and also threaten to damage the works further by paint loss. Delay in conserving these works of art would serve no purpose other than to risk more deterioration.

ENERGY CONSERVATION PROGRAM

Mr. FAZIO. I have a few questions for the record concerning the energy conservation program.

[The questions and responses follow:]

Question. We have $325,000 for the energy conservation program in the Capitol. Why don't you explain the entire program and tell us how much is in the budget for each building.

Response. The $325,000 listed under Capitol Buildings is for the Capitol alone. Additional funds are requested under each of the other buildings. As summarized in the report on the Program for Energy Conservation, which is in the hands of the Committee, the amounts requested for the installation of instruments and controls for each of the buildings are as follows:

[CLERK'S NOTE.-The energy report will be maintained in subcommittee files for a short time period.]

Question. Has GAO consulted with the Architect of the Capitol over the method used to develop the analysis on this program to insure it is compatible with government standards?

Response. The GAO has been in consultation with our staff and has agreed that the National Bureau of Standards Life Cycle Cost Analysis is a satisfactory analytical method. A description of the NBS Analysis is included as Appendix K in the report on the Program for Energy Conservation and the GAO has been furnished that analysis.

The NBS Life Cycle Cost Manual for the Federal Energy Management Program is a guide to understanding the life-cycle costing method and an aid to calculating the measures required for evaluating energy conservation and renewable energy investments in all Federal buildings. It expands upon the life-cycle costing criteria contained in the Program Rules of the Federal Energy Management Program (Subpart A of Part 436, Title 10, U.S. Code of Federal Regulations) and is consistent with those criteria. Its purpose is to facilitate the implementation of the Program Rules by explaining the life-cycle costing method, defining the measures, describing the assumptions and procedures to follow in performing evaluations, and giving examples. It provides worksheets, a computer program, and instructions for calculating the required measurements.

The life-cycle costing method and evaluation procedure set forth in the Federal Energy Management Program Rules and described in greater detail in the manual were developed to be followed by Federal agencies for energy conservation and renewable energy projects undertaken in new and existing buildings and facilities owned or leased by the Federal government, unless specifically exempted. The establishment of the methods and procedures and their use by Federal agencies to evaluate energy conservation and solar energy investments are consistent with Section 381(a)(2) of the Energy Policy and Conservation Act, as amended, 42 U.S.C.

6361(a)(2); by Section 10 of Presidential Executive Order 11912, amended; and by Title V of the National Energy Conservation Policy Act, 92 Stat. 3275.

The National Bureau of Standards provided technical assistance to the Department of Energy in formulating the life-cycle methods and procedures for the FEMP Rules and developed the life-cycle cost manual in support of applying the rules.

The Architect of the Capitol therefore has applied the Program for Energy Conservation, as proposed, to the criteria established by NBS.

CAPITOL GROUNDS

Mr. FAZIO. The request for Capitol grounds for 1985 is $2,851,000 and 86 positions. You are also requesting one new shuttle van. Why do we need two?

Mr. WHITE. That is the shuttle van that circulates between House Annex No. 2 and the Capitol, the House Office Buildings, and the Senate Office Buildings.

The present one, as you may recall, is on a one-half hour schedule. The number of people traveling back and forth has increased steadily over the years. Now it runs at about 55,000, 54 to 55 thousand annually, which is 220 or so passengers a day.

We have recently moved our drafting room down there, as I think you may recall, which has added to that load because our drafting room people don't simply work at drafting tables; they go out into the field to do measurements and consult with people as to what their needs are, and then go back to the drafting room. What we want to do is make this shuttle more available, which would give us a 15-minute schedule instead of a half hour one. It would mean, of course, a benefit not simply to us; there are 1300 people in that building and to some degree the fact that it is where it is acts as an obstacle for communication.

People just avoid making appointments to go to places where they ought to.

Mr. FAZIO. The van is circulating at all times?

Mr. WHITE. Yes, sir. Furthermore, this second van is the reason for the other two employees that we are requesting.

We have talked about eight. We have ten in total. The other two would be the drivers for these vans; but those drivers would serve another purpose. We have modified our

Mr. FAZIO. Put flags up in their spare time?

Mr. WHITE. No. We have modified our method of picking up materials that are available locally rather than have each entity that needs similar items go to a warehouse some place to pick it up.

We have centralized that so we don't have three cars going out to the same warehouse within an hour of one another, and these drivers would, when they are not driving-because you have to have some relief, of course, so there is a driver always availableone of those drivers would be available to assist in relief or otherwise drive these other trucks.

So that is the reason for that request.

HOUSE OFFICE BUILDINGS

Mr. FAZIO. The request for the House Office Buildings totals $23,162,000 and 779 positions.

I have a question for the record concerning the request for funds to replace the roof at House Office Building Annex No. 2 and House Office Building Annex No. 1.

[The question and response follow:]

Question. We see a request for $795,000 to replace the roof at House Office Building No. 2 and $105,000 for HOBA No. 1. Can they be repaired or do we need new roofs?

Response. The HOBA No. 1 roof is 37 years old and badly deteriorated. Despite annual maintenance efforts, the extent of the deterioration is such that replacement of the entire roof is necessary. If the roofing material is not replaced, the concrete roof slab underneath the roofing material is in danger of suffering from deterioration too.

The HOBA No. 2 roof has also reached the point beyond which normal maintenance cannot keep up with the advanced deterioration.

QUESTIONS FOR THE RECORD FROM MR. CONTE

Mr. FAZIO. Mr. Conte has submitted some questions to be answered for the record.

[The questions and responses follow:]

Question. We note that your "ace" sidewalk builders have been turned loose again. That job in front of the Longworth Building is every bit as shabby as the one on the east side of that building which our former ranking minority member of this subcommittee, Bob Michel, complained about several years ago.

Your people have now had some experience with that type of paving, yet still cannot do it right. Why don't you give up and contract those jobs out?

Response. The replacement of the concrete sidewalk in front of the Longworth House Office Building was part of a major contract which was advertised for bids. The contract was awarded to the low bidder, Ft. Myer Construction Corp., who in the past has satisfactorily performed several sidewalk replacement projects on the Capitol Grounds.

The portion of sidewalk which you question, in front of the Longworth House Office Building, has not been accepted by this office and the Contractor has been so notified. The Contractor will remove the exposed aggregate concrete sidewalk and replace it this spring when weather conditions permit.

Question. Also, we have reports that some sidewalk replacement jobs, especially one recent one north of the Library of Congress, which is already cracking, may have been done prematurely. In other words, there was very little, if anything, wrong with the sidewalk which was torn out. We understand that contrary to your supposedly strict policy of taking photographs of sidewalk sections scheduled for replacement, no photographs were taken before that job was done. Why would that be?

Mr. Chairman, I suggest that in the future, this subcommittee should take a closer look at some of these "make-work" projects. The dollars may not be much, but we should try to save wherever we can.

Response. There are many sections of concrete sidewalks surrounding the Library of Congress which are broken, cracked, and in a hazardous condition.

As part of our preventive maintenance program for sidewalks several of the worst sections of concrete were recently replaced by in-house forces.

RENOVATING 501 FIRST STREET

Mr. FAZIO. We have a $500,000 request for renovating 501 First Street, Southeast. Would you tell us something about that?

Mr. WHITE. Yes, that is the building which is located just east of the Capitol power plant. It is a two-story building which was originally built as the nurses' residence for Providence Hospital. It has been owned by the government for a number of years now. It is operated by GSA. The Food and Drug Administration, I believe, was located there, and if you look in it now for example, the rooms are filled with what look like college chemistry laboratory tables which were apparently used by the FDA.