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Mr. LOWNDES said he had hoped the resolution would have appeared to the House to be such a one as did not involve any of the questions which had been suggested. As, however, time was desired, he hoped the gentleman from Virginia would consent to its lying on the table until to-morrow. But assuredly, Mr. L. said, it did not involve any such question as had been supposed. It proposes an inquiry into the matter of fact, whether there now exists a tribunal in Missouri adequate to particular objects. It proceeds on the supposition that every party in the House is desirous to know the actual relation which Missouri bears to the Union-to decide whether it be necessary to legislate or not to legislate on the subject; not only to ascertain what is the relation between Missouri and the Union, but what it may be proper to do, if any thing, in consequence of the fact thus to be ascertained. Whilst, however, Mr. L. said, he believed that resolutions of inquiry ought in general to be assented to without objection, and whilst he believed this to be of that character merely, yet if, from the terms of the resolution, it should appear to any member, and most of all it appeared to a member of the committee to whom it was proposed to assign the consideration of the subject, that it involved an important principle, he admitted it would be proper to give time for the consideration of it.

Mr. GROSS, of New York, said, that though he presumed he entertained, with respect to the answer which ought to be given to this resolution, the same opinion as the gentleman at the head of the Judiciary Committee, he was ready to act upon it without delay. If he believed that it took any thing for granted, particularly if he believed that it took for granted that there was no legal tribunal by which such questions could be settled, he should certainly vote for laying it on the table, and finally against the resolution. But, as he was of a different opinion, he should vote for the resolution, and against laying it on the table. It would be well recollected, he said, that during the discussion of the subject at the present session, the position had been taken that Missouri was a State, and that, though admitted into the Union, she was an independent State. This position was taken by a gentleman whose weight of character and talents gave a color to whatever he should advance. For his part, Mr. G. said, when the question on the admission of Missouri was before the House, he had made up his mind on the subject of this resolution. He hoped that, if the resolution passed, the true answer would be given, and he was therefore in favor of the resolution.

Mr. FLOYD said it was a very unusual thing for the House to hesitate in respect to motions for inquiry. He was glad to find that the gentleman from New York thought so clearly on the subject. As this was an important subject, he wished to record his opinion on the postponement, and therefore required that the question should be decided by yeas and nays.

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The yeas and nays having been ordered― Mr. ARCHER, of Virginia, said, if the wish of the gentleman from Pennsylvania for delay were pressed, though it was so unusual a course, he should be bound, by considerations of courtesy, to accede to the motion now before the House. He was rather disposed, however, to take the same view of this matter as had been taken by the gentleman from New York, that every one, before he gave a vote against the admission of Missouri, must have foreseen the necessity for a resolution and inquiry of this sort. Every member of the majority of the House must have known that the question must have come upon him in some shape or other, and must therefore have been prepared for it. With regard to the character of this proposition, it was not novel. If the facts should be ascertained as the gentleman from New York supposed, there would be no occasion for any expression of the opinion of the Judiciary Committee as to what ought to be done, &c.

Mr. FULLER made a few remarks to the effect that he did not consider it of much importance whether the resolution passed to-day or tomorrow; that he had examined it, and had no great objection to it; but, only to save the needless trouble of calling the yeas and nays, he hoped the gentleman from Virginia would withdraw his objection to laying it on the table.

Mr. ARCHER said he had already done so, if the gentleman from Pennsylvania pressed it, though such a course was not usual, nor in his opinion necessary in this case.

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Mr. SERGEANT said that the gentlemen from South Carolina and Virginia had concurred in considering this resolution as proposing an inquiry into a matter of fact. Mr. S. said, if he understood this resolution at all, it proposed an inquiry, not into a matter of fact, but a matter of law, and that matter of law involving a point on which there was known to be more or less difference of opinion in this House. The question, whether there now exists a tribunal in Missouri, was not a question of fact, but it was a question of law. It was not a question whether tribunals heretofore have existed, but whether they do now exist. There was an objection to referring to a committee an inquiry into a matter of law, which is not to be tested by evidence, &c., but must depend upon opinion, which every member in his place would form as well as a committee, whose report on such a subject would only leave the question where it stood before. With respect to what is to be done in relation to Missouri, it must be perfectly obvious that this cannot be ascertained until the sense of the House is ascertained on the previous question; and the clear course would be to ascertain the sense of the House, and then send the matter to a committee to report such bills as should be calculated to give effect to it. He did not know that, on further examination, the resolution might be liable to the objection he now felt to it; but he wished time to decide that point.

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Mr. STORRS wished the resolution to lie on the table, for this reason-that he wished gentlemen to have time to obtain the necessary information to enable them to act on the subject. He had himself no information whatever which went to show that Missouri was not in the same situation now that she had been for the few years past, except that her convention had met, and agreed upon a form for her future government. He did not say that he had not heard, out of doors, that she had elected a Governor, Legislature, &c. But he did not wish to proceed to the consideration of this resolution until the information was given to him officially, | on which he was to act. A resolution addressed to the Executive, who was charged with the execution of the laws of the United States, would, he supposed, elicit the necessary information. For aught we know officially, said Mr. S., the officers of the United States in that Territory may be at this moment in the full discharge of all their functions. He could not consent to assume it as a fact, that the authority of the United States in Missouri was in full operation. He could not assume it as a fact, that the President has failed in his duty of appointing a Governor and other officers, in pursuance of the laws. By entertaining this inquiry, said Mr. S., the House would assume, in some degree, the duties of the Executive, and bring us in collision with that department. For his part, he said, he could not consent that this House should thus take upon itself the responsibility which belonged to another department of the Government. Whenever the authority of the United States in Missouri was set at defiance, or whenever, from any cause whatever, the authority of the United States in that Territory should be at an end, he presumed Congress would receive from the Executive department information of it. Until such information was received, he could not agree to consider the subject. When it did come, he reserved to himself to decide what course ought to be taken. But the proper course for gentlemen at the present time appeared to him to be, to call on the Executive to inform the House whether the laws of the United States were at present duly executed in Missouri, &c. If the President should say, in reply, that the laws are not executed, and our authority not in existence, it would then be time enough to refer the subject to a committee.

Mr. CAMPBELL said the time might come, during the present session, when he should not have the smallest objection to this resolution; but, he must be allowed to state, that he did not think the present was the proper time. It was well understood that there were several projects on foot for the admission of Missouri into the Union. When all these failed, he said, he should be as ready as any gentleman to assent to this resolution. If gentlemen were prepared to say that no further efforts would be made to accomplish that object, he was ready to vote for the resolution now. But, he said,

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in every quarter of the country, it is anticipated that the discussion will be revived on the resolution from the Senate in the paper from Richmond received to-day, there were two or three letters from Washington to that effect. The understanding was, he believed, that perhaps next week the resolution on the table of the Clerk might be called up and decided on. If every effort should fail for the admission of Missouri, it would be proper to adopt such a resolution as this, but, in his opinion, not till then.

Mr. Foor rose to show, by example, that the motion to lay this resolution on the table was not unprecedented. He agreed fully in opinion with the gentleman from Ohio, that the resolution ought to be laid on the table, and should not agree to take it up again until the resolution from the Senate should have been finally acted on.

Mr. LOWNDES said, a very little reflection would satisfy any one that it was not necessary to postpone this resolution until the other question referred to should be decided. He submitted to the House the consideration, that the report of the committee under this resolution might have considerable influence on the question to be decided on the proposition from the Senate. It appeared to him, he had no hesitation in saying, that no man could vote on the various propositions which had been alluded to, unless his mind was made up on the topics presented by the resolution now before the House. Whilst up, Mr. L. adverted to what had fallen from his friend from New York, who opposed the resolution because we know nothing officially of any change in the actual condition of Missouri. If we knew nothing on that subject, said Mr. L., it would be reason enough for inquiry that there is out-of-door conversation on the subject. We must not act on such information, but was it ever before heard that we must not inquire into any matter because it has been spoken of out-of-doors only? The practice of every day was different. But, if official information was necessary, the House had that information. It had information, from the constitution presented by Missouri, that, at a certain time, the authority of the United States was to determine, and that of a new State to commence. He did not here speak of the question of right in regard to the people of Missouri, but of the question of fact. It was true that there was a question of fact presented by this resolution, but it was also true that there was a question of law, and nothing was more usual than, in regard to questions of law, to refer them to the committee of this House consisting of legal men, constituted to consider such questions, being the committee to which it was proposed to refer this resolution.

Mr. STORRS explained, that he had reserved the question of the expediency of an inquiry into this matter. His objection to acting on the subject now was, that it appeared to him

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the proper course would be, first to call on the Executive.

Mr. ARCHER said he acceded to the proposed postponement, only because, as the mover of the resolution, he felt bound to do so. If not thus obliged, he should have voted against postponement. The objections of the gentleman to the resolution, he said, were not consistent one gentleman opposed it because it proposed an inquiry into facts; another because it proposed an inquiry into a matter of law. Both objections could not be sound. He believed, he said, in conclusion, that the responses to this resolution would be very easy indeed; and he must be allowed to indulge the remark, that, in the reluctance of gentlemen to act on the subject, he found a confirmation of his belief that the answer could be easily given. The question on laying the resolution on the table was decided in the affirmative, by yeas and nays, 91 votes to 58, as follows:

YEAS-Messrs. Adams, Alexander, Anderson, Archer of Virginia, Baker, Bateman, Beecher, Boden, Brush, Buffum, Butler of New Hampshire, Campbell, Clagett, Clark, Cushman, Cuthbert, Dane, Dennison, Dickinson, Eddy, Edwards of Connecticut, Eustis, Fay, Folger, Foot, Forrest, Fuller, Gorham, Gross of Pennsylvania, Guyon, Hall of New York, Hall of Delaware, Hardin, Hendricks, Herrick, Hill, Hobart, Hostetter, Kendall, Kinsley, Lathrop, Lincoln, Lowndes, Maclay, McCullough, McLane of Delaware, Mallary, Marchand, Meech, Meigs, Monell, R. Moore, S. Moore, Morton, Mosely, Murray, Nelson of Massachusetts, Parker of Massachusetts, Patterson, Phelps, Philson, Plumer, Randolph, Rich, Richards, Richmond, Robertson, Rogers, Ross, Russ, Sawyer, Sergeant, Settle, Silsbee, Sloan, A. Smyth of Virginia, Southard, Stevens, Storrs, Street, Strong of Vermont, Strong of New York, Tomlinson, Tracy, Upham, Van Rensselaer, Wallace, Wendover, Whitman, and Wood-91.

NAYS.-Messrs. Abbot, Allen of Tennessee, Archer of Maryland, Baldwin, Barbour, Bayly, Bloomfield, Brevard, Brown, Bryan, Burton, Burwell, Butler of Louisiana, Cannon, Cobb, Cocke, Cook, Crafts, Crawford, Crowell, Culpeper, Earle, Edwards of North Carolina, Fisher, Floyd, Gray, Gross of New York, Jackson, Johnson, Jones of Virginia, Jones of Tennessee, Kinsey, Little, McCoy, McCreary, McLean of Kentucky, Metcalf, Montgomery, T. L. Moore, Neale, Nelson of Virginia, Overstreet, Parker of Virginia, Rankin, Reed, Rhea, Simkins, Smith of New Jersey, Smith of Maryland, Swearingen, Terrell, Trimble, Tucker of Virginia, Walker, Warfield, Williams of Virginia, and Williams of North Carolina

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SATURDAY, January 6.
Death of Mr. Linn.

Mr. SOUTHARD announced the death of JOHN LINN, one of the members of this House, from the State of New Jersey. Whereupon,

Resolved, unanimously, That a committee be appointed to take order for superintending the funeral of John Linn, deceased, late a representative from the State of New Jersey.

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Messrs. SOUTHARD, BATEMAN, BLOOMFIELD,
KINSEY, SMITH, of New Jersey, CULPEPER, and
MARCHAND, were appointed the said committee.

House will testify their respect for the memory of
Resolved, unanimously, That the members of this
John Linn, late one of their body, by wearing crape

on the left arm for one month.

Resolved, unanimously, That the members of this House will attend the funeral of the late John Linn this day at three o'clock.

Resolved, unanimously, That a message be sent to the Senate to notify them of the death of John Linn, late a member of this House, and that his funeral will take place this day at three o'clock, from the

Hall of the House of Representatives.
And then the House adjourned.

MONDAY, January 8.

A new member, to wit, from the State of Pennsylvania, DANIEL UDREE, elected to supply the vacancy occasioned by the resignation of Joseph Heister, appeared, was qualified, and

took his seat.

TUESDAY, January 9.
Missouri-Anomalous Condition.

Mr. ARCHER, of Virginia, moved that the House do now proceed to consider the resolution submitted by him on the 4th instant, in relation to the judicial condition of the Territory of Missouri.

On the question being taken, "Will the House now consider the said resolution?" it was determined in the negative—yeas 66, nays 78.

THURSDAY, January 11. Limitation of the Naval Force, and Inquiry into Naval Pensions.

Mr. CоBв submitted for consideration the following resolution:

Resolved, That the Committee on Naval Affairs be instructed to inquire into the expediency of limiting by law the number of able seamen, ordinary seamen, and boys, to be annually employed in the service of the United States; and also into the expediency of reducing the number now in actual service.

Resolved, That the Committee on Revolutionary Pensions be instructed to inquire into the expediency of reducing the pensions now allowed under the acts of Congress, to certain persons in the land and naval service of the United States, on continental establishment, during the Revolutionary war; [so that hereafter the pension allowed to each officer shall be twelve dollars per month, and to the privates five dollars per month.]

The first of these resolutions was agreed to without a division.

The second met with great objection, in consequence of which Mr. COBB modified it so as to make the inquiry general, by erasing the words in brackets.

On the resolution thus modified, there were ayes 53, noes 59. So the resolution was not agreed to.

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Amendment of the Journal-Missouri Question.

FRIDAY, January 12.

Amendment of the Journal-Missouri Question. The first entry in the Journal of yesterday was read, in the following words:

"Mr. Lowndes presented three memorials of the Senate and House of Representatives of Missourione praying that the purchasers of public lands may be permitted to apply the payments already made to such of their entries as the said payments will cover, at two dollars per acre, relinquishing the residue of the land to the United States-another praying that persons entitled to the right of pre-emption in the purchase of public lands, may be permitted to make payment for said lands within the times heretofore prescribed by law, or prompt payment, at the option of the persons holding such pre-emption right-the other, praying that the right of pre-emption in the purchase of public lands may be extended to certain settlers therein described; which memorials were referred to the Committee on the Public Lands."

Mr. ROBERTSON, conceiving that Missouri had, in this entry, been styled a Territory, objected to her being so styled; but, on examination, finding it was not so, waived a motion he was about to have made to amend it.

Mr. COBB, however, adverting to the terms of the memorial, said, that it appeared to be from the Senate and House of Representatives of "the State of" Missouri, though not so stated in the Journal. Mr. C. moved to amend the Journal in this particular, by inserting the words "the State of," before the word "Missouri."

When the reporter entered the Hall, Mr. BARBOUR was up, arguing in favor of an amendment, which would make the Journal conform to the fact, which, he contended, it did not as it now stood.

Mr. ANDERSON expressed his opinion that the Journal, as it stood, expressed truly the fact of a memorial being presented from Missouri. Though it might have been more distinctly stated, yet the omission of the words proposed to be inserted did not take from Missouri the character of a State, it being a frequent mode of expression in regard to other States, to speak of them without the prefix of the State of." Mr. A. also suggested a wish that his friends should not press the objection they had set up, by way of obtaining a decision of the Missouri question, on a motion to amend the Journal.

Mr. ROBERTSON made some remarks in favor of the motion. The memorials, he said, professed to be from the Legislature of the State of Missouri. If Missouri had not been considered as a State, of course the memorials in that shape would not have been received. Having been received as memorials from the State, why should not the fact be correctly stated on the Journal?

Mr. MOLANE, of Delaware, was in favor of the proposed amendment, on the general ground that, if it took place, the Journal would correspond more precisely with the fact than in its present shape.

[JANUARY, 1821. Mr. WARFIELD said, that a decision in favor of the proposed amendment would not express the sense of the House, either in one way or the other. Conceiving that the entry on the Journal, as it now stood, was an entry of that description which would explain sufficiently what was the nature of the memorial, he was opposed to the amendment.

Mr. SMITH, of Maryland, proposed, in order to obviate the difficulty, to insert in the Journal the words "purporting to be," a memorial from the Senate and House of Representatives of the State of Missouri, &c.

Mr. Cook was opposed to the proposed amendment. If made, he said, it would decide no principle. If Missouri was not a State, calling her so would not make her so. It would be an equally appropriate amendment to style her the Republic of Missouri, as her convention had styled her in the preamble to the constitution which had been formed for her government, &c.

Mr. Cовв, in reply to a wish which had been expressed, that he would withdraw his motion, said that he could not consent to do it. He wished the Journal to conform, as it ought, to the fact. Three memorials had been presented from a body, organized under a constitution of government, formed by virtue of a law of Congress authorizing the people of Missouri to form a State government. In that shape having been presented, in that and in no other shape could the memorials have been received; and the Journal ought to state the fact as it occurred.

Mr. BALDWIN was sorry, he said, that any discussion should have arisen as to the description of any paper presented to the House in the shape of a memorial. It had been the uniform practice, in making up the Journal, to give to memorialists the name which they themselves assumed. By way of illustration, he referred to the memorial presented at the present session from persons styling themselves the National Institution for the protection of domestic industry, from the delegates of agricultural societies, from the delegates from various interests at Philadelphia, &c., all of which, without investigating the merits of the pretensions of the respective memorialists, had been announced in the Journal in their own language. We pay that respect to petitioners, said Mr. B., that we designate them as they choose to designate themselves. The annunciation on the Journal of their designations, was, properly, a mere recital of what they chose to call themselves. If the principle were now to be introduced, that every person or association of persons were to be held to prove that they really are what they profess to be, it would involve the House in endless difficulties. He was therefore in favor of the amendment proposed by Mr. COBB.

Mr. RANDOLPH, after a preliminary remark or two, not distinctly heard from the pressing of members around him, said that he rose to

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introduce a precedent applicable to this occasion, which, he trusted, would be received with all the respect due to so high and transcendental authority. The conduct, said he, which this Government has to this instant pursued towards the State of Missouri, is sanctioned by the conduct which was pursued towards these States when colonies, by His Britannic Majesty and his faithful Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled. What was their language after our independence was declared? What was their conduct which led to the long and bloody war which terminated in the acknowledgment of our independence? The very language which we are holding, and the very conduct we are pursuing towards Missouri. The parallel, said Mr. R., runs on all fours. In our extreme tenderness for the rights and privileges of the colored citizens, we have already brought into jeopardy the rights and privileges of our white fellow-citizens as well as of those colored ones who are the objects of our solicitude. Mr. R. said he had intended to abstain, as he had until now abstained, from taking any part or lot in this affair. But when he saw the Congress of the United States pursuing a course of conduct in servile imitation of the British Parliament, he could no longer refrain. He would stake his salvation, he said, dear to him as that was, that, if the constitution of Missouri had contained an inhibition of slavery, the House would never have heard of the objection now raised to it; and, were he to engage in the discussion of it, he would take that ground. However that might be, he said, it was a more important matter that the Journals of this House should contain the truth. An honorable member behind him had uttered the sentiment, the other day, that it was proper that petitions to this House should contain the truth. It was of infinitely more importance, Mr. R. said, that the Journal should contain the truth; and he pronounced that the Journal for yesterday, in its present mutilated, mangled, and garbled state, did not speak the truth. It holds out that, said he, which we know to be false. And is it a mere matter of form that we should send out to the people, as the record of our proceedings, a paper which contains, on the face of it, a palpable and atrocious falsehood?

Mr. LITTLE called for the reading of the memorial; it was read in part, when Mr. L. expressed himself satisfied, and said he was sorry the Chair had departed from the uniform practice and regular rule in recording the proceedings of the House.

Mr. RHEA was in favor of the proposed amendment. It was the duty of the House, he thought, to see that facts were correctly stated on the Journal This House had, in its public acts, styled Missouri a State; and why should she not be so called on the Journal? He read the caption of one of the memorials to show that it purported to be from the Senate and House of Representatives of the State of Missouri, in General Assembly, &c. The Journal,

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he said, ought to describe the memorial as it really was.

The question on Mr. COBB's motion was then taken-yeas 76, and nays 76.

The years and nays being equal in number, the SPEAKER declared his vote with the nays. So Mr. COBB's motion was rejected.

The vote

On this result being declaredMr. PARKER, of Virginia, rose. which had just been taken, he said, was, with a few exceptions, of that geographical character which had marked the whole proceedings in regard to Missouri. For his own part, he said, he did not at first consider this question as involving any matter of principle; but, being a new member, he had referred to the Journal, and he found that, in all cases of memorials from States, they have been stated to be from States; and that the same uniformity of practice prevailed as to memorials from Territorial legislatures. He saw no reason why a deviation from this uniformity of practice should have occurred in this particular instance of Missouri, and not in any other. There was, he said, something in it he did not say what it was-but he was for consistency, at all events, in the records of the Congress of the Union. He was for the records of this House speaking, in the words of the law, the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Under this impression, as the House had refused to acknowledge Missouri to be a State, and as she must be a territory, if she be not a State, he moved to insert in the Journal, before the word "Missouri," the words "the Territory of."

Mr. BRUSH objected to this amendment, for reasons which he assigned at length. He was of opinion that Missouri was constitutionally and politically a State, and not a territory. But, as it was the custom of this Government to give to its territories a first and second grade of government, preparatory to their assuming the rank of a State of the Union, he did not see why it could not give to them a third, fourth, or fifth grade of government. He considered Missouri to be in a grade between territorial dependence and the condition of a member of the Union; which idea he illustrated by reference to the situation of the State of Vermont, before she adopted the Federal Constitution.

Mr. EDWARDS, of North Carolina, apprehended that this proposition would operate as a trap question, producing embarrassment without benefit, and expressed his hope that the mover would withdraw it.

Mr. LIVERMORE made a few remarks to this effect: that the House ought to regard the substance and not the shadow; that the name was of no importance to the actual condition of Missouri. When the question should present itself in a proper form, he was ready to decide it; but it could not be affected, either in one way or the other, by the appellation which should be given to Missouri on the Journal of this House.

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