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58 PROCEEDINGS of the POLITICAL CLUB, &c. Feb. country. I say, Sir, in prudence different gentlemen, we may peras well as modesty; for if we should haps get at last a majority to concur pretend to be better judges then in the election of the archduke they, and to compel them or any Joseph, even during the life of of them to be of our opinion, we his father, the prefent emperor. I Thall of course furnish France with fay, perhaps; because as the quea party in Germany, which may en. A stion has now been started, whether able her to overturn the liberties the electoral college or the diet of Europe as well as of Germany; of the empire be judges of this nebecause the dispute will not then be ceflity, I doubt much if the elector about liberty and independency, but of Mentz will venture to convoke whether they shall be obliged to sub- a diet of election, before this quemit to the two houses of Bourbon, stion be determined, even tho' a or to the two houses of Brunswick B majority of the electors should conand Austria.

cur in requiring it. But fupporo From what I have heard in this that we should, by means of our subdebate, Sir, it seems to be almost sidies, obtain a majority of the elec. the unanimous opinion of this as. tors, and that we should get the sembly, that an election of a king elector of Mentz to run

the risk of the Romans would be an ad of convoking a diet of election at ditional security for the peace of their request, the question is, whether

C Europe and tranquillity of Ger- such an election would not rather many, without being of any dan. precipitate a war than protract a gerous consequence to the liberties peace,

peace. We may, I think, be well and privileges of the empire ; but affured, that those who think the it is certain, that this is not the election of a king of the Romans unanimous opinion of the electors a matter indifference, will never and princes of that empire ; for if join in railing any disturbance on it were, we should have no occasion account of its being delayed, and to grant any subsidy. With regard indeed the delay can furnith no fort to them, the case, in my opinion, of pretence for a war: But will it appears plainly to be thus : Theré be the same, in cale an election be are three electors and many princes, made against the declared will of who think an election of a king of three of the most powerful electors the Romans, during the life of the E of the empire, and before the diet emperor,

of such dangerous con of the empire has come to any defequence to the liberties and pri- termination with respect to such an vileges of the Germanick body, election's being necessary ? Will not that it ought never to be made, thele three electors think their rights without an absolute and apparent invaded ? Will not all the princes neceflity, for which there is not, of the empire, who are not electors, they think, the least pretence at F think their rights invaded? And prefent : There are two, and I be. will not both have at least a prelieve no more than two electors, tence for saying, that the houses who think, or pretend to think, of Austria and Brunswick, with the that such a necessity now exists; And help of English money, are going the rest of the electors and princes 10 oppress che liberties of the Ger. think the election itself a matter manick body? Can we think, that of such indifference, that they may G those eleciors and princes would fit allow themselves to be determined quietly down under such a supposed by a subsidy from us. In these cir- usurpation of their rights ; Can we cumstances we may see, that by expect that Françe would not presently granting sublidies to all thele in. tend her armies again into Germany,


1753. PROCEEDINGS of the POLITICAL CLUB, &c. 59 under preterce of being called upon account, would be a squandering of as guaranty of the treaty of West- the publick money ; because it would phalia ?

be giving away our money for doSuch an election, Sir, if it could ing that which would certainly be be brought about, would therefore, done without our putting ourselves in my opinion, be so far from being to any such expence. Again, if we an additional security for the peace A suppose, that all or most of the of Europe, or the tranquillity of electors and princes of Germany Germany, that I am convinced, it think, that the electing of the archwould produce an immediate war duke Joseph king of the Romans in Europe, with this disadvantage, is a matter of such indifference, chat that the greatest part of Germany, they may without any danger proand probably both the northern ceed to it directly, or let it alone will crowns, who are both princes of B after his father's death ; I will say, the empire, would join with France that in this case, our granting a againīt us; in which case the Dutch, subsidy to any one of them, for the I believe, would be wise enough sake of hastening the election, would to secure themselves by a neutra- be worse than squandering, because lity, as they did in the year 1734,

it would rather retard tha forward or perhaps, embrace that project so the election, as every one of the often offered to them by France, C reit would be for delaying the elecof dividing what is now called the tion, in hopes of getting a like subAustrian Netherlands between them. fidy from us; and surely, it is not Thus, Sir, our success in bringing to be imagined, that we can, or about such an election would, in ought to grant subsidies to every my opinion, be one of the most elector and prince of Germany upon unlucky events that could happen any account whatsoever. to us; but this, I confess, I do not D I have hitherto supposed, Sir, much apprehend, because whilft that all the electors and pringes of there is a division in the empire the empire are men of true honour about the necefficy of chusing a king and publick spirit, and that none of the Romans, I believe, que clec- of them can be biassed by any mertor of Mentz will never venture to cenary confideration to act against lunmon a diet of election. Con. what they think the true interest sequently I must think, that whilft E of their country: The farthest I such a division fubfilts, our granting have yet gone is to suppose, that of any subsidy on account of get- some of them are not men of such ting the archduke Joseph cholen king great forefight and deep penetration of the Roinans, will be an endea- as our wise ministers, which is the vour to purchase what it is not cause they think that a mere matpoflible to purchase, and conse- ter of indifference, which our miquently will be a squandering of F nifters in their great wisdom clearly the publick money, which initead perceive to be of the highest imof agreeing to, we are in duty portance : But really from the ar. bound to prevent. Nay, supposing, guments made use of by the ad. Sir, that there were no such division vocates for this motion, one would in the empire : Supposing that all be apt to imagine, that the electors the electors and princes thereof and princes of Germany, or some thought it necessary for the security G of them at least, are as venal as any of the empire to proceed to an im- of our little boroughs in England, mediate election, and to chuse the and that if we did not bribe them archduke Joseph king of the Romans, 10 act for the interest of their counyet fill. I thould think, that our try, they would accept of bribes granting of any lubidy upon that H2


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PROCEEDINGS of the POLITICAL CLUB, &c. Feb. from France to act against the inter- have thereby so much exhausted est of their country ; therefore if our ftrength, that we can no longer any in this house have occasion to continue to act in the same manner ; be cautious how they express them. therefore, if the princes of Germany, selves upon this subject, it is those and some of the other princes of Euwho plead for this motion, not those rope, think of throwing always the lawho plead against it; for I defy A bouring oar upon us, we must resolve any man to advance one folid ar. to drop our oar, and berake ourgument for our giving money for selves to our own botrom, before che sake of getting a king of the our strength be so much impaired Romans chosen, without making a as not to be able to take care of ourfuppofition, that can no way tend selves. This, I trust in God! we to the honour of the electors at that may still do, if we confine ourselves election; therefore, I hope, the B to our own element, and resolve gentlemen who pretend to have

to carry on no war but by fea. If 10 great a regard for the honour we cannot do this : If we cannot and dignity of the electors and defend ourselves by sea both against princes of the empire, will drop France and Spain, should both join the reason they have asigned for our againit us, we must be undone ; for granting the fubfidy proposed, and it is impossible for us to carry on a furnish us with some other reason, C new land war upon the continent before they desire our concurrence of Europe, at the same expence we with their morion; for, I think, I did the last. La derniere Guinea l'emhave clearly shewn, that if the elec.

portera was an expression of Lewis tors and princes of the empire are XIV. who underitood the methods men of true honour and publick of carrying on a war as well as Spirit, the eletion of a king of the any man; and by the high interest Romans could neither be the object D of money we are forced io borrow, or the view of the treaty now under the expence of transporting troops, contideration, nor the principle up. paying fubfidies, and often paying on which it was founded.

for troops which do us very little But, Sir, that I may consider this service, an army upon the continent

every posible light, I hope, of Europe will always cost us more I may now join with its advocaies, than double the number costs the uithout offence to any member of E French and Spaniards ; therefore, this house, whatever may happen considering our present load of debe as to others, in suppoling, that the and mortgage of our publick reelectors and princes of the empire,

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such war or some of them at least, would join reduced to the last guinea, long bewith France against us and the true fore our enemies.

This we had intereit of their country, if we did like to have fatally felt in the last not prevent it by granting them íubli. f war; for had it not been for our dies in time of peace as well as war,

great success at sea, and the difI confels, Sir, that in time of war ficulties and danger which the French we have long acted in such a man. colonies and commerce were therener, as if we alone were concerned by reduced to, we Mould have been in preserving, a balance of power

obliged to have offered a carte blanche in Europe ; but I think we never

to our enemies, because it would before lait year began to act so in G have been impossible to have raised zime of peace, and when no im.

money for carrying on the war mediate rupture was so much as ap- during another campaign, without prehended. In thort, Sir, we have teizing upon that fund which is apso long acted in this manner, and

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1753. PROCEEDINGS of the PoliTICAL CLUB, &c. 60 well as that which is appropriated can never be attended with less danto pay the principal of our publick gerous consequences than in the case debts.

now before us. We must therefore resolve, Sir, never from henceforth to be the first

The next that spoke was L. Valerius to take the alarum at the balance of

Flaccus, wboje Speech was to this power's being in danger, nor to sup- A Efre: pose that it is, when no late in Europe

Mr. Chairman, thinks so but ourselves, at least none but such as have some particular and private interest in view, which they

Hon. gentlelick incerelt, called the balance of pleased to give us his own opinion, power. When this balance is in B whether he thought an immediate real and apparent danger, the princeselection of the archduke Joseph a of Europe will be ready enough to right or a wrong measure, yet he exert the utmost of their ftrength, found himself obliged to acknowledge, without any sublidy from us, even in that its being a right measure seemtime of war; and when this ba. ed to be the unanimous opinion of lance is not in any real and apparent this house ; and indeed, the case is danger, no subsidy in time of peace C so clear, that I do not see how it can tecure their concurrence with us could be otherwise ; for if a vacancy in any futare measure, which we may in the Imperial throne be an event think necessary for guarding against that must always be a:tended with a danger they are not senlible of.

the utmost danger of causing a civil This we may learn from experience war in Germany, iwo chances against as well as common sense ; for the that event is certainly better than late behaviour of the elector of Co-D one. Besides, Sir, that it is a right logn is a proof of the little depen- measure, and that it will tend to dence we can have upon any previ. preserve the tranquillity of Germaous subsidy ; and some others may ny, and consequently the peace of perhaps act with less candour than Europe, is evident from ihe monhe has done ; because he openly and strous subsidies granted by France to candidly threw up his fubfidy, as some of the princes of the empire : foon as he resolved not to concur E To whom does France grant her with us, whereas some others may subsidies ? Not to any of those princes for years continue to receive our that are for chusing the archduke money, and yet find from time to

Joseph king of the Romans, but to time an excuse for delaying to con- chose only who declare themselves cur in that measure, for which the against it. These two confiderati. money was granted.

ons, Sir, must convince every unbiHaving now, Sir, considered this F assed man in Europe, that it is the sublidy in every podlible light, and interest of the empire to have the having mewn, that in every one it archduke Joseph elected king of the must be deemed a squandering or Romans as soon as poslible : But worse than squandering the publick princes are like other men ; they money of this nation, I hope, my are often biassed, and their underaitent to the motion will not be ex. ftandings hoodwinked by their parpected ; for surely we are not to lay G fions. Some of them are governed it down as a maxim, that we must by their ambition, their jealousy, or grant every foreign subsidy which

their resentment; and this prevents our sovereign may be advised by his their seeing what so clearly appears ministers to promise, and a refufal

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62 PROCEEDINGS of the POLITICAL CLUB, &c. Feb. to be the true interest of their coun- fire, and what we ourselves allow to try: These have been carefully cull- be right. What reply can we make ? ed out by France, and by large fub- Canive make any other, than that we falies enabled to keep numerous ar- will ay a subsidy enable you to keep ries on foot, in order to intimidate

up such an army as may be sufficient Die re, or ai least to render it dan- for your defence, until we and our gerous for them to pursue the true A allies can come to your affiítance ? interest of their country, by pro. Thus, Sir, gentlemen may fee, ceeding to an election, and chusing that the subsidy is not given, nor the archduke Joseph king of the accepted, out of any mercenary Romans.


It is given only to enable There, Sir, are the true circum. our friends to act freely, and to de. Rances of Germany at present, and spise the menaces of those, who by in fuch circumstances how are we to B their ambition, jealousy, or resentbehave? Will any gentleman fay, ment are led to oppose the true in. that it is not the interest of this na. terest of their country, and are hired tion to prevent a civil war in Ger

by France to declare themselves ene. many ? Will any one say, that it is mies to this nation. As we delire not our interest to preserve not only nothing of any of the princes of rbe union but the activity of the Germany but what is for their own Germanick body? Can it be sup. C interest as well as ours, it is to be poled, that the empire is not more hoped that we shall soon engage such exposed to the danger of a civil war a party in Germany as will be able during a vacancy of the Imperial to despise the menaces of the French throne, than when it is full? Can it party in that country, and when we be supposed, that the Germanick have done this, we have done our body can be so well united or so business ; for they will be able to attive without a head, as with ore?D proiect the reit, and then all true What are we then to do? Cer:ainly, German patriots may act freely, and to prevent any such vacancy if pofli- may without danger declare themble. How are we to do this? The selves in favour of an election of king Drethod is plain and obvious : By of the Romans : Nay, even those begotiation, by reason and argument, who are now led by their paslions to We must endeavour to remove the oppose that election, when they see prejudices, to overcome the paifions, E that they can thereby gratify none of and to convince the underitanding of their governing pallions, they may the electors and princes of the em- give up their oppofition, and join pire, that it is their own interit to with the ret of their countrymen in proceed as soon as posible to an securing the fulure quiet of their election of a king of the Romans, country. But suppose, Sir, that we and 59 make that choice fall upon should not succeed in getting the the archduke Jofeph. But this is F arciduke Joseph chofen king of the rot all we have to do: When we Romans in the life-time of his fahave fucceeded in this with any one ther, do gentlemen think that the or more of them, they will of course subsidies we now grant will be of no anfuer : We approve of what you fervice ? Sir, next to preventing a fay : We see that what you propose vacancy in the Imperial throne, the is nyht; but there is such a one has principal thing we are to take care of a great darding army on foot, and G is, that if lucis a misforcune should kc will pre fentiy invade us, and swal. happen, it shall te of as thort a conlow up our whole territory before we tinuance as pofiible ; and for this can puisibly provide for our defence, purpose che beli ching we can do, is Bould we comp'y with that you úc. 1o engage ! etorehand a majority of


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