Mr. DIMARIO. We have a specific report that we prepared for the committee which will be transmitted to the committee in the near future.

Mr. SMITH of Florida. Excuse me, can you answer at least this question? This 9,428,000 pound order for 28-pound recycled_newsprint, does that represent at least compliance with the mandate in the record from last year or don't we know? Does the contract call for it?

Mr. DIMARIO. Yes, sir.

Mr. Houk. Congressman, we recently responded to the Chairman with the study. The study has been completed. The study will drive the attainment of the 10 percent or more post-consumer waste. The placement of the recycled newsprint order was prior to the completion of that study. It was the first time we even could get recycled newsprint. So we will move from there.

Mr. SMITH of Florida. So the answer is we don't really know if it has any post-consumer in it?

Mr. DIMARIO. We can get a technical report. We have it at the office: It will tell us specifically if it does.

[The information follows:]

The recent newsprint procurement is 100 percent post-consumer waste.

Mr. SMITH of Florida. I would be curious about it. You are putting out this press release. I would hope the people in this shop who negotiated this contract had some idea what it was they were negotiating.

Mr. DIMARIO. They have that idea. I am not that knowledgeable on this subject. I apologize to the committee for that.

Mr. FAZIO. Are you from the Joint Committee on Printing? Ms. KEMP. I am Linda Kemp. I serve on the procurement committee on the Joint Committee on Printing. Our last procurement, we have 10 percent post-consumer waste for our new Record.

Mr. FAZIO. I was confident in asserting that when I saw your head nodding yes. I wanted to get that on the record.

Mr. SMITH of Florida. Is that this?

Ms. KEMP. No. That is different. The first time we went out, it was prohibitively expensive. It cost almost twice as much as virgin. This last time the post-consumer waste was competitive.

Mr. FAZIO. Do you know why it changed that much in a short period of time?

Ms. KEMP. Demands. More and more papermakers are coming on-line because they are using post-consumer waste.

Mr. FAZIO. Because of EPA standards.

Ms. KEMP. Yes. And people are beginning to ask for it.

Mr. Houk. We are sending the message to the marketplace, that is the way it is going to be. Now more is coming on board.

Mr. FAZIO. I appreciate that.

Mr. Houx. Certainly the report we have been writing on postconsumer content will give credit to this subcommittee.

Mr. FAZIO. Thank you.

SUPERINDENDENT OF DOCUMENTS

Now we will talk with Mr. Wayne Kelley; the Superintendent of

I read into the record at our first meeting a letter we received from Ralph Nader as a result of a press conference, one of many he has on the Hill, which was a broad-brushed criticism of our failure to pursue environmental goals. Not that he would have read this, but perhaps others who read his materials would have noted that Congress was involved in trying to move the GPO in this direction. Larry, did you want to comment?

Mr. SMITH of Florida. Yes, I wanted to ask a question. When we talk about recycled newsprint, what are we talking about. Is this virgin newsprint, ends, pieces of shavings that are unused, that are collected and reprocessed or are we talking about used paper that is recycled? There are two different kinds of recycled.

Mr. Houk. Do you mean post-consumer content?

Mr. SMITH of Florida. Yes.

Mr. Houk. We follow the requirements of the Joint Committee on Printing, which are based on the EPA guidelines. I believe Mr. DiMario did the procurement?

Mr. DIMARIO. Yes, sir.

Mr. Houk. A year ago, we had difficulty getting recycled newsprint. It was not available on the market. Last November, for the first time, we found recycled newsprint for the Record and the Register. What is the makeup of the recycled?

Mr. DIMARIO. I cannot speak to post-consumer waste because we were on the street with the contract for the currently used paper before we were dealing with the post-consumer waste issue with Mr. Porter. We were following EPA guidelines.

Following Mr. Porter's suggestion and this Committee's suggestion and mandate to us last year, we have conducted a survey so I can speak to the future more than I can speak to the current paper with recycled content.

In the future, we will be using newsprint with a minimum 40 percent minimum post-consumer waste recycled product in it. We have surveyed that and believe we can get adequate paper for it. Mr. SMITH of Florida. What does this purchase represent, any post-consumer?

Mr. DIMARIO. I cannot speak for that. It may. I don't have enough knowledge. I can furnish that information to you for the record.

Mr. SMITH of Florida. I hope, Mr. Chairman, we can get that information to figure out whether or not what we thought they we were driving toward was accomplished by this.

Mr. FAZIO. Sure. We are talking about 10 percent post-consumer waste?

Mr. DIMARIO. A minimum of 10 percent generally was what his mandate was, but with respect to newsprint, we are talking about a minimum of 40 percent post-consumer. In the future, when we go out with our specs, I am certain that is what it will read.

Mr. FAZIO. Recycled paper is available from the House Printer and Printing Services. Such paper is readily available in the marketplace, therefore, we directed the Public Printer to look into that in your Government-wide printing requirements. That is why I

Mr. DIMARIO. We have a specific report that we prepared for the committee which will be transmitted to the committee in the near future.

Mr. SMITH of Florida. Excuse me, can you answer at least this question? This 9,428,000 pound order for 28-pound recycled_newsprint, does that represent at least compliance with the mandate in the record from last year or don't we know? Does the contract call for it?

Mr. DIMARIO. Yes, sir.

Mr. Houk. Congressman, we recently responded to the Chairman with the study. The study has been completed. The study will drive the attainment of the 10 percent or more post-consumer waste. The placement of the recycled newsprint order was prior to the completion of that study. It was the first time we even could get recycled newsprint. So we will move from there.

Mr. SMITH of Florida. So the answer is we don't really know if it has any post-consumer in it?

Mr. DIMARIO. We can get a technical report. We have it at the office: It will tell us specifically if it does.

[The information follows:]

The recent newsprint procurement is 100 percent post-consumer waste.

Mr. SMITH of Florida. I would be curious about it. You are putting out this press release. I would hope the people in this shop who negotiated this contract had some idea what it was they were negotiating.

Mr. DIMARIO. They have that idea. I am not that knowledgeable on this subject. I apologize to the committee for that.

Mr. FAZIO. Are you from the Joint Committee on Printing? Ms. KEMP. I am Linda Kemp. I serve on the procurement committee on the Joint Committee on Printing. Our last procurement, we have 10 percent post-consumer waste for our new Record.

Mr. FAZIO. I was confident in asserting that when I saw your head nodding yes. I wanted to get that on the record.

Mr. SMITH of Florida. Is that this?

Ms. KEMP. No. That is different. The first time we went out, it was prohibitively expensive. It cost almost twice as much as virgin. This last time the post-consumer waste was competitive.

Mr. FAZIO. Do you know why it changed that much in a short period of time?

Ms. KEMP. Demands. More and more papermakers are coming on-line because they are using post-consumer waste.

Mr. FAZIO. Because of EPA standards.

Ms. KEMP. Yes. And people are beginning to ask for it.

Mr. Houk. We are sending the message to the marketplace, that is the way it is going to be. Now more is coming on board.

Mr. FAZIO. I appreciate that.

Mr. Houk. Certainly the report we have been writing on postconsumer content will give credit to this subcommittee.

Mr. FAZIO. Thank you.

SUPERINDENDENT OF DOCUMENTS

Now we will talk with Mr. Wayne Kelley; the Superintendent of

this program. It doesn't have to be lengthy. You can place most of the material in the record along with your bio, but we would like to hear from you.

[The information follows:]

BIOGRAPHY OF WAYNE P. KELLEY, JR., ASSISTANT PUBLIC PRINTER (SUPERINTENDENT OF DOCUMENTS)

Wayne P. Kelley, Jr., was name Superintendent of Documents of the Government Printing Office (GPO), April 15, 1991, by Public Printer of the United States Robert W. Houk. Kelley is the former publisher of Congressional Quarterly and a journalist with more than 30 years of newspaper and magazine experience.

He is the nation's 18th Superintendent of Documents, a post created by Congress in 1895.

Kelley is in charge of an operation that maintains some 12,000 Federal Government titles and processes more than 5,500 mail orders daily. In addition, 27 million publications were distributed in 1990 to the nation's 1,400 depository libraries. Kelley oversees 23 GPO bookstores located throughout the country.

As publisher and executive vice president of Congressional Quarterly, Inc., from 1980 to 1990, Kelley directed all operations of the company that produces publications covering Congress, politics, and national issues. He also held positions as executive editor, managing editor, and associate editor during his more than 20 years with the Washington-based publishing firm that is owned by The St. Petersburg (Florida) Times.

During his tenure with Congressional Quarterly Kelly conceived and developed an online database service, acquired a daily newsletter, improved editorial quality of publications, and organized a seminar series explaining how Congress works. He developed the concept for two hardbound reference books, Politics in America and the Washington Information Directory.

Prior to joining Congressional Quarterly, Kelly was a newspaper reporter and served as Washington correspondent for the Atlanta Journal from 1965 to 1969. He was city editor and State capitol reporter for the Augusta (GA) Chronicle from 1960 to 1965.

A graduate of Vanderbilt University, Kelley was a Nieman Fellow in Journalism at Harvard from 1963 to 1964. He earned several Associated Press and Sigma Delta Chi newswriting awards while in Georgia.

GOALS

Mr. KELLEY. I would say the current fiscal year, 1992, in the S&E area, we have four important goals. One is to take a look at reorganization of our depository distribution system including some inventory processes there.

We want to accurately and objectively finish the five pilot projects, gather the evaluation data and get the reports out. We have formed a team of almost five full-time people to work on that and should have it out by the middle of the year.

Another goal is to improve our community outreach. Our inspections program has fallen behind. We used to try to inspect a library every three years and it has fallen behind to seven. Another goal is to eliminate our backlog in microfiche and cataloguing and to also begin to take a look at how electronics might fit into the future of the depository libraries.

ELECTRONIC FORMATS

Mr. FAZIO. Do you think your material will be available to help us with our budget this year.

Mr. KELLEY. If you are looking for material on the bound Record CD-ROM, we have made an effort to put that at the front and we currently have data to make available to you.

Mr. KELLEY. We have cost comparisons. I share the skepticism that electronics is the way to cure all cost and efficiency problems in the future. But there are things electronics can do.

Our survey of the 1985 Congressional Record, CD-ROM, shows the variable costs, not the development costs, for 1,400 depository library CD-ROMs cost us $39,000. Microfiche for the same number of libraries, would cost $60,000 and paper, over $1,400,000. There is growing acceptance in the library community for electronics.

Mr. Houk. Mr. Chairman, the studies and the results should be ready by the end of this year.

Mr. FAZIO. We were hoping for as much as we could, as early as we could because some decisions may be predicated on the results. Mr. SMITH of Florida. Do you foresee the possibilities of the GPO disseminating this information in the electronic mode and for those libraries which you say, 60 some odd percent still want the hard copy having to pay for the printed rather than for the electronic, since the cost differential is so great. You could then provide the electronic for free and charge them for the paper copy.

Mr. KELLEY. Only Federal depository libraries, about 60 that are regional, get the print. The others have to take microfiche or CDROM. Neither of those have been available since 1985. So 1986 through the current year, there are no hard bound volumes available to libraries.

But I think the real challenge of a choice of format, except for the regionals, which are allowed all formats, is one of the problems the librarians and GPO will have to face up to.

Mr. Houk. In other words, the Superintendent would like to take the least costly format and provide that to the library. Having said that, the problems begin.

Mr. SMITH of Florida. You mean political fallout?

Mr. Houk. Yes, sir.

Mr. FAZIO. Can you outline the two changes in the bill?

Mr. KELLEY. The first was an insert that said we would distribute materials to the depository libraries in all formats. That is just a clarification of what we are doing now because, whatever an agency chooses to use as its format, if it is CD-ROM, we will distribute that.

Mr. FAZIO. You are saying we will do it in all formats? Mr. KELLEY. Whatever format an agency chooses to publish. If they publish through us, we will distribute it in that format.

Mr. FAZIO. So you will distribute it but not to all requesters? Mr. KELLEY. If an agency decides to go from paper only to CDROM, we have no choice but to distribute only the CD-ROM. If an agency chooses to distribute only in paper, we cannot change the format. We are making clear that whatever format an agency chooses to publish in, we will distribute in that format to the depositories. The depositories may not select it, but we go with the agency.

it?

Mr. FAZIO. What were the problems? Why did we need to clarify

Mr. KELLEY. I think in some sectors there is a question as to whether or not the Superintendent of Documents should distribute publications in electronic format to depository libraries because