included coordination of information provided by newspapers and cable TV and television generally.

Dr. MUMFORD. May I amend what I was saying? I think the Commission is very much interested in the possibilities for educational and library purposes of the use of cable television.

Mrs. GREEN. Are they going to be up before us?

Mr. CASEY. The Commission? Would you like them?

Mrs. GREEN. It might be interesting because I didn't quite understand the original intent to have this commission get into newspaper and television coordination of information services. I still do not understand what they intend to do.

Mr. LORENZ. The Commission is interested in the use of new technology, cable television et cetera, as they would apply to libraries and other information service agencies in the dissemination of information across the country. I think they are also interested in cable television because that has been one of the issues in the copyright revision bill. It is only in terms of resolving the cable television issue and getting the copyright revision bill passed they would be concerned. Mrs. GREEN. Do you know what their budget is this year?

Mr. LORENZ. About $200,000, I think.

Mrs. GREEN. I understand it was to be $400,000.

Mr. LORENZ. They are requesting $400,000 for fiscal 1974. That comes before the Labor-Health, Education and Welfare Subcommittee of the Appropriations Committee. It is in the HEW budget. The Commission is an independent agency but for administration they are located within the HEW budget. In other words, HEW provides their administrative services.

Mr. CASEY. Mrs. Green, we will have an opportunity to hear them when they appear before our other subcommittee.

Mrs. GREEN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. CASEY. Mr. Flynt?

Mr. FLYNT. Thank you.

REVIEW OF PRESENT STAFFING LEVELS

Dr. Mumford, when you and your staff request authorization for additional personnel, is any study made to determine whether any divisions or sections are overstaffed and these personnel could be made by transfer rather than additions?

Dr. MUMFORD. I would say this is a continuing process, Mr. Flynt, to determine whether we have adequate staff or excessive staff in any one place. With the growth of the Library we are not very likely to find that we have excessive staff in any place.

Mr. FLYNT. I am certain that no division or section chief would admit that he has an excess. Was an objective study made to determine if such exists?

Dr. MUMFORD. Each department director, before he submits his budget request to me, looks at the picture carefully, and later so do I, as to whether the present staff is adequate or more than adequate or is deficient in number. There is constant attention paid to the matter, but not a formal study as you suggest.

Mr. FLYNT. From the answer that you have given, it would appear that this would be a subjective study rather than an objective study. Therefore, you would never find any division was overstaffed. It would be like trusting a rabbit to guard the lettuce part of the garden. Is any objective study made to determine excess?

Dr. MUMFORD. We know what the

Mr. FLYNT. I am delighted that you feel that there is no excess, but I am also quite certain from what I have observed over the years that if you were to ask any division or section chief in the U.S. Government if he had an overage in what he was required to perform his mission the answer would be no. I think that I will put it this way: Would you agree with me you might get entirely different answers if an objective rather than subjective study of this question were made?

Dr. MUMFORD. It is not just the opinion of the division chief. We have standards of how much work a particular person can be expected to accomplish and we know what the arrearage or the volume of work waiting to be done there is, so that it can be looked at objectively. It is not just accepting the individual's word that he needs more staff.

MADISON BUILDING

Mr. FLYNT. I think you said a few minutes ago no funds were requested, no additional funds in this year's budget, for the construction of the Madison addition to the Library?

Dr. MUMFORD. Not for construction; no. There is an item in the furniture request.

Mr. FLYNT. Has the total cost of construction been appropriated? Dr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir.

Mr. FLYNT. Do you know of any plans other than the Page School and dormitory proposed for use of the old Providence Hospital site? Dr. MUMFORD. No, sir; I don't think any of it would be available to the Library of Congress.

Mr. FLYNT. I have no further questions.

NATIONAL PROGRAM FOR ACQUISITIONS AND CATALOGING

Mrs. GREEN. Mr. Chairman, where do I find the acquisition and catalog items?

Mr. WELSH. That is on page 105, "National Program for Acquisitions and Cataloging."

Mrs. GREEN. How many people do you have employed in that program now?

Mr. WELSH. 428.

Mrs. GREEN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. CASEY. Are there any other questions at this point? [No response.]

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