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As you know, of course, these are the so-called regular committee employees and do not include people employed under special and select investigating and study funds allocated from time to time by special resolutions of the House.

The gross annual salaries for the regular committee employees of the 20 committees as of February 28, 1959, was $2,502,070, for 226 employees.

If agreeable, I will insert the usual tabulation summarizing the personnel for the 19 standing committees as of February 28, 1959. (The statement referred to is as follows:)

Standing committee employees as of Feb. 28, 1959 (other than Committee on Appro

priations)

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Mr. ROBERTS. Since the Reorganization Act of 1946 became effective, the committee has provided funds for the maximum number of positions possible (208), plus the Appropriations Committee, at an approximate average salary sufficient to provide adequate funds for additions to the staffs as the various committees may decide, or for changes in salaries. All salary rates are fixed by each committee chairman.

There is, of course, no way of stating definitely at this time just how much money will be required for these positions, except, that it is believed that the appropriation should be based on the maximum number of positions with an overall gross salary which would give sufficient leeway for reasonable and expected salary changes. The estimate was prepared with that in mind.

Mr. NORRELL. Any questions on committee employees?

PUBLICATION OF SALARY LISTS

Mr. HORAN. Mr. Chairman, in the matter of committee payrolls,

do they submit their payroll lists? Mr. ROBERTS. Yes.

Mr. HORAN. What about joint congressional committees, do they submit their lists?

Mr. ROBERTS. No, they do not.

Mr. HORAN. Why not?

Mr. MEGILL. The law does not seem to cover joint committees, Mr. Horan. It cannot be so construed, I would judge.

Mr. HORAN. Why should they not?

Mr. MEGILL. The question would be whether they should file with the Clerk of the House or the Secretary of the Senate and the form such requirement should take.

Mr. HORAN. I was wondering about that. I do not see any reason for the different treatment.

Mr. STEED. How are their staffs paid, jointly or out of special funds? Mr. ROBERTS. Some are paid by the House and some by the Senate. Mr. STEED. Then you would have to have a duplicate report filed? Mr. MEGILL. Either that or filed with one body or the other de

pending on which supplied the chairman of the committee. Mr. ROBERTS. I do not think the law covers that.

Mr. HORAN. Will you submit an amendment to us that would cover that?

Mr. MEGILL. It might be well to include a requirement that the joint committees also file their papers with either the House or Senate so that they may be retained for history. There has also been a question as to whether they should be filed with the Clerk of the House or with the Secretary of the Senate.

OFFICE OF THE SERGEANT AT ARMS

Mr. NORRELL. If there are no further questions, we will go to the next item on page 17, which is the Office of the Sergeant of Arms.

Mr. ROBERTS. For the Office of the Sergeant at Arms the amount requested is $561,675, the same as that appropriated for the current fiscal year. There is no change there, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. NORRELL. Any questions on that item?

OFFICE OF THE DOORKEEPER

If not, we will turn to the next item, Office of the Doorkeeper. There is a slight increase there.

Mr. ROBERTS. For the Office of the Doorkeeper, the estimate for 1960 is $961,725 compared with $961.510 appropriated for 1959, an increase of $215. House Resolution No. 623, adopted July 9, 1958, provides for a basic per annum increase from $1,680 to $1,800 for No. 2 female attendant, ladies retiring room.

Mr. NORRELL. Any questions on this item?

SPECIAL AND MINORITY EMPLOYEES

If not, we will turn to the next item, "Special and minority employees."

Mr. ROBERTS. For six minority employees, the request is for $78,030, the same as appropriated for 1959. There is no change in this item.

OFFICE OF THE MAJORITY FLOOR LEADER

For the office of the majority floor leader, including $2,000 for the official expenses of the majority leader, $64,340, the same as appropriated for 1959, there being no change in this paragraph.

OFFICE OF THE MINORITY FLOOR LEADER

For the office of the minority floor leader, $50,510, the same as appropriated for 1959, there being no change in this paragraph.

OFFICE OF THE MAJORITY WHIP

For the office of the majority whip, $27,645, the same as appropriated for 1959, there being no change in this paragraph.

OFFICE OF THE MINORITY WHIP

For the office of the minority whip, $27,645, the same as appropriated for 1959, there being no change in this paragraph.

TWO PRINTING CLERKS FOR CAUCUS ROOMS

For two printing clerks, one for the majority caucus room and one for the minority caucus room, to be appointed by the majority and minority leaders, respectively, $12,620; the same as appropriated for the fiscal year 1959.

TECHNICAL ASSISTANT TO THE ATTENDING PHYSICIAN

For a technical assistant in the office of the attending physician to be appointed by the attending physician, subject to the approval of the Speaker, $8,570; the same as appropriated for 1959.

NORTH ATLANTIC TREATY ORGANIZATION PARLIAMENTARY

CONFERENCE

For a clerk for the House delegation of the North Atlantic Treaty Parliamentary Conference as authorized by House Resolution No. 36, approved February 2, 1959, $11,710.

As you will see, this is a new item, currently financed from the contingent fund, and we propose a new paragraph following the usual

custom.

The position is now filled.

Mr. NORRELL. Any questions?

OFFICE OF THE POSTMASTER

If not, we will turn to the next item, "Office of the Postmaster." Mr. ROBERTS. The Office of the Postmaster is the next office that has a change. That is for an additional employee referred to in one of these resolutions.

Mr. NORRELL. Is not the postmaster asking for an additional employee? The appropriation for this year was $286,595 and he is requesting $290,370 for next year.

Mr. ROBERTS. Yes, sir.

For the Office of the Postmaster, $290,370, as compared with $286,595, appropriated for 1959, or an increase of $3,775. House Resolution 158, approved February 24, 1959, provides for one additional laborer at a basic annual salary of $1,650. At the request of the Postmaster the lump sum was increased from $7,700, to $8,500. The increase of $800, is to provide for extra services due to the additional work of that office. For example, the Postmaster General, for the purposes of the penalty mail law, has estimated that the mail sent by the Congress has increased from 44,900,000 pieces in 1955 to 63,447,000 pieces for 1958.

Mr. NORRELL. Any questions?

OFFICIALS REPORTERS OF DEBATES

If not, we will go to the next item, "Official reporters of debates." Mr. ROBERTS. For Official Reporters of Debates, the request is for $186,600, as compared with $174,080, appropriated for 1959, or an increase of $12,530. House Resolution 197, approved March 13, 1959, increased the basic salaries of the seven transcribers to $3,450 basic per annum.

Mr. NORRELL. Any questions?

OFFICIAL REPORTERS TO COMMITTEES

We will turn to the next item, "Official Reporters to Committees." Mr. ROBERTS. For Official Reporters to Committees, $190,145, compared with $175,825, appropriated for 1959, or an increase of $14,320. House Resolution No. 197, approved March 13, 1959, increased the basic salaries of the eight transcribers to $3,450 per annum each.

Mr. NORRELL. Any questions?

APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE INVESTIGATING STAFF

If not we will take up the next item which is Appropriations Committee investigating staff.

Mr. ROBERTS. For salaries and expenses, studies and examinations of executive agencies by the Committee on Appropriations, to be expended in accordance with section 202(b) of the Legislative Reorganization Act of 1946, $500,000, the same as appropriated for 1959. Mr. NORRELL. Any questions?

OFFICE OF THE LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL

If not, we will go to the next item, "Office of the Legislative Counsel."

Mr. ROBERTS. For salaries and expenses for the maintenance of the Office of the Legislative Counsel, $204,600, the same as appropriated for 1959. Positions and rates of pay are set by the Legislative Counsel with the approval of the Speaker except the Legislative Counsel, whose salary is set by law. With the permission of the committee, Mr. Perley has requested the following statement and chart be inserted in the hearings.

STATEMENT OF ALLAN H. PERLEY, LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL, HOUSE OF
REPRESENTATIVES

For the fiscal year 1960 the sum of $204,600 has been requested for the House Ofice of the Legislative Counsel, an amount sufficient to cover the present payroll, timated miscellaneous expenses of $1,800, the amount of $6,515 to permit the appointment of another young attorney, and a reserve of $11,271 for meritorious promotions.

The personnel of the Office now consists of 11 attorneys and 6 clerical employees. I wish to express my appreciation to the subcommittee for having made available, over the last 15 years, substantially all of the funds requested for the operatron of the Office. This has made it possible, by increasing the legal staff from 6 to 10 during the period 1946-49, and by granting merited salary increases, all with the Speaker's approval, of course, to build up and maintain an experienced and capable legal staff.

However, the Office has only one more attorney on its staff than it had in 1949 see attached table 2), and, due to a steady increase in the work over the last decade, it is becoming more and more difficult to handle satisfactorily the volume of work the committees and Members of the House ask us to do. Our records (see attached table 1) show that in the 84th Congress the total of "jobs" done for committees and Members was approximately 57 percent greater than in the 81st Congress. The increase continued in the 85th Congress, when the total was approximately 11 percent in excess of that for the 84th Congress. I think that this trend is likely to continue in the future.

Considering only the present and probable future workload of the Office in relation to the personnel needed to handle it efficiently, I definitely feel that several attorneys, as well as some clerical personnel, should be added during the next few years. However, because of the shortage of office space available for the House and related offices and services, and the fact that our Office is already overcrowded, it probably will not be feasible for the Office to ask for funds for this purpose.

Although in my estimate for the coming fiscal year I have included a sum to permit appointment of another attorney, the lack of office space may rule out the making of such an appointment. You may recall that the appropriation request Imade for this office 2 years ago, for the fiscal year 1958, included an amount to permit the appointment of two additional attorneys and an additional clerk. This request was granted. I had previously made application for another room for this office. However, the requested space was not available for assignment to us. With the Speaker's approval I appointed one young attorney and a clerk, but decided that we did not have room for the other attorney. The request I am making at this time is, therefore, a renewal of a request on which this subcommittee previously acted favorably. I have renewed this request because our application for an additional room is still on file. I suppose there is some chance that the application may be acted on favorably. If it is, I want very much to be able to ask the Speaker to approve the appointment of the additional attorney. I earnestly hope that the subcommittee will make available the amount requested for the fiscal year 1960 as a reserve for promotions. This is to make it possible, in cases where the Speaker approves, to follow the long-established practice in our office of promoting members of the legal and clerical staffs as they develop and become more valuable to the office. I think this is particularly mportant at this time, when, notwithstanding prospects of a continuing workload crease, it seems likely that the office will be handicapped by a space problem for

some years to come.

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