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35th Cong....1st Sess.

Kansas--Lecompton ConstitutionMr. Mason, and others.

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clare openly, and without debate, his assent or dissent to | Mr. CAMERON. I did not vote, because, as York to order, until my point is either sustained the question."

I have stated several times to-night, I have paired or overruled. There is a quorum in the House evidently, or off with a gentleman who is compelled to be ab Mr. SEWARD. I shall object to any point was a moment ago. A number of Senators did sent.

being sustained or overruled by the Chair in my not vote. It will be for the Senate to say whether Mr. BENJAMIN. I move that the gentleman presence here until I am heard about it. the Senators who did not vote shall be called upon from Pennsylvania be excused from voting. Mr. GREEN. You have no right to be heard to do so, or what steps shall be taken in regard Mr. CAMERON. If I am to be counted as until he either sustains it or overrules it. to it. being present, I shall walk out.

Mr. SEWARD. You will see. Mr. MASON. The usage always has been, as | The VICE PRESIDENT put the question on The VICE PRESIDENT. Senators will be I recollect, since my entrance here several years the motion to excuse Mr. CAMERON; and it was good enough to pause for a moment. Will the ago, when there was really not a quorum of the agreed to.

Senator from Missouri restate his point of order: Senate present, and those present desired to pro | Mr. FITCH. I think I heard my colleague's Mr. GREEN. My point is this: that under a ceed with business, to direct the Sergeant-at-Arms ! (Mr. Bright's) name mentioned. I announced rule of the Senate, the President of the Senate has to request the absentees to attend. There has once before this evening that he had paired off ordered the names of those who did not answer been no instance within my knowledge, where ! with the Senator from Tennessee, (Mr. BELL.] I on the last vote to be called, and during the prog. the Sergeant-at-Arms has been directed to bring : understood it was to be a temporary pair; but I ress of that call no matter of debate is in order. them here. I think it desirable to have the usual do not see Mr. Bell in his seat.

The Senator from Michigan is undertaking to courtesies preserved. It is manifest that on the i Mr. SEWARD. I move that the Senator from make an argument in excuse, and to avoid the last call of the yeas and nays, the want of a quo- | Indiana (Mr. Bright) be excused from voting. effect of the call. I say that is not in order unte rum was on account of Senators present declining Mr. WADE. On ihat motion I call for the the call is through. to vote. A Senator does that on his responsi- 1 yeas and nays.

The VICE PRESIDENT. The Chair begg bility, and it will be for the Senate to say whether The VICÉ PRESIDENT, The Senator from leave to suggest that the proceedings of the last they will take any order to require the rules of \| Indiana is not present.

fifteen minutes are new to him; but he will state the Senate to be observed. I would suggest, il The Secretary called the name of Mr. CHAND his opinion on the points of order raised, with therefore, that the vote be again taken, so that it | LER.

the leave of the Senate. may be seen whether there are any Senators pres Mr. WADE. I demanded the yeas and nays Mr. SEWARD. I must insist that the Senator ent who declined to vote, and if that be the fact, i before that name was called, on the motion to ex raising the point of order shall take his seat. let the Senate decide whether it will take any or cuse the Senator from Indiana.

Mr. GREEN, I call the Senator from New der to see that the rule be enforced. I move that | The VICE PRESIDENT. The Chair doubts || York to order. the roll be called again on the same motion. the propriety of a motion to excuse a Senator from Mr. SEWARD. I call the Senator from Mis-, Mr. BIGGS. I wish to inquire whether it voting when he is not present.

souri to order, and my point of order is this: that would be in order to call the names of the ab- | Mr. STUART. How does the Chair know that I! he has not the floor while the Chair is explaining. sentees, to ascertain what Senators are present fact, sir? The Chair cannot know who is here Mr. GREEN. He has no right to call me to who declined to vote? and who is not here, unless by the vote.

order. The VICE PRESIDENT. That is most The VICE PRESIDENT, The Chair will sug The VICE PRESIDENT. The Senator from strictly in order.

gest to the Senator that he thinks there is a quo. Missouri has stated his point of order. The Chair Mr. BIGGS. I shall then call on them by name rum present.

will hear the suggestion of the Senator from New to request them to vote, if I can ascertain who Mr. STUART. But the Chair is now deciding York. declined.

points of order. My point is, that the Chair can- | Mr. GREEN, (to Mr. SEWARD.) Make your Mr. CAMERON. I will make a suggestion; not officially take notice whether a Senator is here suggestion. I can hardly make a motion at this stage of the or not. There is a motion to excuse a member Mr. SEWARD. I wish to know whether I question. I suggest to gentlemen on the other from voting. If he munifests that he is here by a must make my suggestions under the permission side to adjourn, so as to give Senators on this | vote, or by a remark, or by anything else that the of the Chair, or by the command of the Senator side an opportunity to consult in the morning; ! Chair can take notice of officially, that is proper; \ from Missouri? and if, after being in caucus to-morrow morning, but the Chair cannot decide whether he shall be Mr. GREEN. Either is equally obligatory. we fail to meet you with a proposition to fix some excused from

The VICE PRESIDENT. 'The Senator from reasonable time to close this debate, I, for one, | here. .

New York has the floor. will give up; but I think for the present we had Mr. GREEN. Yes he can.

Mr. SEWARD. The point of order made by better adjourn.

Mr. STUART. Not at all.

the Senator from Missouri is that a call of memMr. GREEN. I rise to a question of order. Mr. PUGH. I think that point of order will bers is being made by the Secretary, and that while

Mr. CAMERON. Oh, there is no order about bring us just to the suggestion I made before. Al that call is proceeding, no Senator can speak to any it. There is no order in what was done before. Senator is either present or absent. That is al question whatever. I answer that the Secretary Without a quorum we can know of no order. clear case. If the Senator from Michigan is right, is without authority to make the call. Then the Mr. GREEN. I demand order.

that those who do not vote are absent, then I Senator from Missouri says that he is ordered by Mr. CAMERON. I cannot be put down by | think the Sergeant-at-Arms ought to bring them the President of the Senate to make it. I answer that man.

here. Whether they are inside of the Chamber that when there is not a quorum of the Senate Mr. GREEN. There is no question pending. or not, he ought to bring them into the Senate, il present, the President of the Senate cannot direct Mr. CAMERON. I have the floor.

and to the notice of the Senate. If they are here that call to be made. The VICE PRESIDENT. The Senator from | present and do not vote, and the Chair can take Mr. GREEN. It is too late for that point. Missouri has a right to raise his question of order. | notice of them, then there is no propriety, of The VICE PRESIDENT. The Senator from The Chair will hear it.

course, in sending the Sergeant-ai-Aims after || New York comes to the precise point. Mr. GREEN. My question of order is that them. I will do what I have tried all night long, || Mr. SEWARD. I say that without authority there is nothing debatable before the Senate. to make some compromise, so as to effect an ad of a majority of the body, no proceedings can be

The VICE PRESIDENT. That point of or journment. The majority will not adjourn unless had. der, if insisted on, is well taken, and the Chair that is done, and I shall vote against all factious The VICE PRESIDENT. The Chair will must so rule. proceedings on either side.

state that on the last call of the yeas and nays there Mr. CAMERON. There can be no question Mr. STUART. I certainly have no desire to was nota quorum voting. It was quite apparent to before the Senate when there is not a quorum introduce anything here of a novel character. 17, the Chair, however, that there was a quorum in the here. How can you decide a question of order have a great desire, however

Chamber. The Chair supposes it to be usual in without a quorum?

Mr. GREEN. I rise to a question of order. all deliberative bodies to ascertain whether a no The VICE PRESIDENT. The Senator will The VICE PRESIDENT. Will the Senator | rum be present, and that power would exist in the suspend for a moment. The Chair desires, of state his point of order?

Chair, as the organ of the body, to ascertain the course, to act with perfect propriety in the prem Mr. GREEN. It is this: that while the Sec fact whether a quorum be present, of necessity. ises. The Chair is satisfied that there is a quorum retary is calling the names of the absentees, to see The Chair assumed at the moment that there was of the body present. The 16th rule, which has whether there is a quorum present, no question a quorum present, and he might take this mode already been read, says that upon a call of the of order is debatable, and a Senator cannot even of ascertaining whether a quorum was really presyeas and nays," each member called upon shall, make a motion until the call is gone through with.|| ent, by directing the Secretary to call the names unless for special reason he be excused by the Mr. STUART. I think the Senator will have of those Senators who did not vote, and if they Senate, declare openly, and without debate, his to look into books that nobody else has seen to are present in the Chamber and respond to their assent or dissent." The Senator from North Car- | find any such principle as that.

names or are obviously present, the Chair will be olina desires that the Senators present not voting Mr. GREEN. I expect to do it.

able to announce to the Senate that there is a quoshall be ascertained, in order that the Senate may Mr. STUART. Well, we shall see. Now, rum of the body here. determine whetherit will excuse them from voting. ll sir

Mr. TOOMBS. Certainly; that is the proper Under these circumstances the Chair will direct Mr. GREEN. I have not yielded the floor; I way. the Secretary to call the names of the Senators have made my question of order, and I submit it The VICE PRESIDENT. Accordingly, the who did not vote, so that the Chair may ascertain to the Chair.

Chair directed the Secretary to call over the names the Senators who did not vote, and then the Sen The VICE PRESIDENT. The Chair will re of those Senators who did not vote. Those who ate can take such course as it deems proper. The mind the Senate

voted are present in the Chamber. There are Secretary will therefore report the names.

Mr. SEWARD. One moment, if the Chair! many other Senators present whom the Char The Secretary called the names of the follow- pleases. I wish to be heard on the question of sees, who did not vote. How many, whether ing Senators: Mr. Bell, Mr. Bright, Mr. Cam- | order.

enough to make a quorum or not, may be said to ERON

1 Mr. GREEN. I call the Senator from New l be in doubt, and the Chair directs the roll to be

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called, with a view to ascertain whether there be Mr. Houston. No response.

HAMLIN, SEWARD, TRUMBULL, and Wade, and Mr. HUNTER. No response.

they voted “s yea." a quorum present. "Mr. STUART, I should like to call the atten Mr. PEARCE. No response.

The VICE PRESIDENT then announced the tion of the Chair especially to the point of order Mr. Reid. No response.

result--yeas 15, nays 24; as follows: which was made upon me, and to show the Chair Mr. SEWARD. “Here.

YEAS-Messrs. Broderick, Chandler, Clark, Dixon, Festhat the Senator from Missouri has not recollected Mr. SIMMONS. No response.

senden, Foot, Hale, Hamlin, Harlan, King, Seward, Stuart,

Trumbull, Wade, and Wilson-15. the facts. There was a motion made to excuse a Mr. SUMNER. No response.

NAYS--Messrs. Allen, Bayard, Benjamin, Biggs, Bigler, Senator from voting. The Senator from Ohio Mr. Thompson, of Kentucky. No response.

Browl, Fitch, Green, Gwin, Hammond, Iverson, Johnson (Mr. Wade demanded the yeas and nays upon Mr. TRUMBULL. "Here."

of Arkansas, Johnson of Tennessee, Jones, Kennedy, Malthat motion. The Chair remarked that he doubled Mr. WADE, “Here.

lory, Mason, Polk, Pugb, Sebastian, Slidell, Thomson of the propriety of moving to excuse a member who Mr. YULEE. No response.

New Jersey, Toombs, and Wright-24. was not present. Now, sir, that is a debatable The VICE PRESIDENT. Upon the call of

So the Senate refused to adjourn. motion, to excuse a member, and I have the floor 1 the yeas and nays, the yeas were 6, and the nays

Mr. WILSON addressed the Chair. on that subject. 24 --less than a quorum. The Chair being satis

The VICE PRESIDENT. Does the Senator The VICE PRESIDENT. The Chair has no fied that there was a quorum present in the Cham | from New Hampshire yield the floor to the Senhesitation in retracting an opinion expressed by ber, and on the suggestion also of Senators, di- || ator from Massachusetts ?

rected the vote to be called. Nine Senators who

to be called him when he believes that he was in error.

Nine Senators wholl Mr. CLARK. Certainly. Mr. GREEN. Mr. President did not vote, have answered to their names, which,

Mr. WILSON. I move that the further conThe VICE PRESIDENT. The Senator will added to those who did vote, makes a quorum.

sideration of this question be postponed until pause; the Chair is speaking to the point of order. The names of those nine Senators are at the ser

half past twelve o'clock to-morrow. The Chair doubts the propriety now of the motion vice of the body.

Mr. SEWARD. On that motion I call for the which he put to excuse the Senator from Penn Mr. MASON. Mr. President, we have at-Il yeas and nays. sylvania, because the object he had in having the tained a new stage in the deliberations of the Sen

Mr. HALE. I rise to what I believe is a privroll called was to ascertain whether there be a ate. The rule of this body requires that each ileged question; but I do not know that it is. I quorum present; and he was wrong in putting the Senator present shall vote when his name is called. understand that there has been a call upon the question on the motion to excuse the Senator from Mr. STUART. I rise to a question of order. members who were not here when the question Pennsylvania before the preceding question was The VICE PRESIDENT. - The Chair was was put on the last motion; and it appears by the determined-whether there was a quorum pres about to say to the Senator from Virginia, that i call that there were a good many absent mement? If the case were before him again, with his his next duty is to have the names of those Sen bers. I move that the Sergeant-at-Arms be die present opinions, the Chair would not entertain ators called in their order, that they may vote, i rected to procure the attendance of absent memthe motion to excuse the Senator from Pennsyl unless they be excused by the Senate Mr. MASON. I intended to make a motion.

The VICE PRESIDENT, The Chair was in yanla.

Mr. STUART. But the motion now before the The VICE PRESIDENT. The Secretary will the act of addressing the Senate, and the Senator Senate is to excuse the Senator from Indiana; and call the names of those Senators who responded did not obtain the floor. The Chair will hear to that motion I rose.

to their names on the last calling of the roll, but

The last calling of the roll, but is him in a moment, as soon as the Senate determThe VICE PRESIDENT, There is no motion who did not vote when the question was put.

ines whether it will take the question by yeas before the Senate; and no question can be now The Secretary called the pame of Mr. CHAND j and nays. before the Senate except to ascertain the presence 1 LER.

The yeas and nays were ordered. of & quorum.

Mr. CHANDLER. What is the question: 1 Mr. HALE. My proposition is to procure the Mr. GREEN. That is it. was not present when it was put.

attendance of absent members. I think it is the Mr. STUART. Will the Chair inform me what The VICE PRESIDENT.' The question was privilege of the body to have the Senate full. I has become of the motion that the Senator from on adjournment.

move, therefore, that the Sergeant-at-Arms be Indiana be excused from voting?

Mr. CHANDLER. I vote to adjourn. directed to procure the attendance of the absent The VICE PRESIDENT. The Chair does! The Secretary called the name of Mr. Dıxon, members. I have not had an opportunity to look not entertain the motion, because he does not and he answered “ nay."

at the rules; but I take it this order is in the power know that there is a quorum lo vote upon it. Mr. PUGH. I hope we shall not pass the first of every House. Mr. STUART. Very well; what next? case. We may as well make a stand there.

The VICE PRESIDENT. The Chair is inThe VICE PRESIDENT. The Chair will do Mr. BROWN. The Senator voted; that is all

clined to think that the motion is in order. his best, in justice to all sides, to conduct the pro you can ask.

Mr. GREEN. If the Senator has made a mo. ceedings with regularity and propriety. The Sec The Secretary called the name of Mr. FESSEN

tion, I should like to know what it is.

Mr. HALE. That the Sergeant-at-Arms be retary will continue to call the names of absentecs. || DEN. Mr. WADE. What is the question?

Mr. FESSENDEN. I ask to be excused from directed to procure the attendance of absent memThe VICE PRESIDENT. There is no ques voting.

bers. tion before the Senate. The Chair is trying to Mr. BROWN. On that I ask for the yeas and

Mr. GREEN. I move to lay that motion on ascertain whether a quorum of this body is pres. nays.

the table. ent. The Secretary will continue to call the list The yeas and nays were ordered.

Mr. STUART. I submit that that cannot be of absentees. Mr. PUGH, I believe, under our rules, that

done. To lay a simple motion on the table is not The Secretary called the names of

request cannot be made, unless before the ca}} parliamentary. Mr. CHANDLER, Mr. CLAY, Mr. COLLAMER,

The VICE PRESIDENT. The Chair inclines commences, Nr. Crittenden, Mr. Davis, Mr. Dixon, Mr.

The VICE PRESIDENT. The Chair will to think that the motion to lay on the table is in DOOLITTLE, Mr. Douglas, Mr. DURKEE, and Mr.

order. l' again refer Senators to the rule:

If that is carried, it is an expression of the 66 When the yeas and nays shall be called for by one fifth

sentiment of the Senate, that they will not at this Of these gentlemen, Mr. Dixon alone answered. of the members present, each member called upon shall, time call for absent members. Mr. Fessenden was called.

umless for special reason he be excused by the Senate, de Mr. SEWARD. On that motion I ask for the

clare openly, and without debate, his assent or dissent to Mr. FESSENDEN. I desire to hear the rule

yeas and nays. the question.

The yeas and nays were ordered. The VICE PRESIDENT. What rule does the

The Senator from Maine is now called upon to | Mr. STUART. 'Mr. PresidentEnator desire to hear read ?

vote for the first time. He asks to be excused, The VICE PRESIDENT. The Senator from Mr. FESSENDEN. The rule with reference

but has assigned no reason. The Chair, how- | New Hampshire moves that the Sergeant-at-Arms Foling on a call of the yeas and nays. ever, will entertain the motion.

be directed to bring in the absent Senators. The Mr. BROWN. The Senator has shown his

Mr. FESSENDEN. At the suggestion of the Senator from Missouri moves to lay that motion

Senator near me, under the circumstances of the upon the table, Upon this the yeas and nays have The VICE PRESIDENT. The Chair will read

case, I withdraw my request to be excused, and been ordered. Senators who are for laying the e sixteenth rule: vote 5 yea.

subject on the table, will, when their names are

cretary called the name of Mr. Foor. ll called, answer “yea;' those opposed to it will the yeas and nave shall be called for by one-fifth

Mr. FOOT. I vote“ yea,” but at the same l answer “ nay.for she

bers present, each member called upon, sball, or special reason he be excused by the Senate,

time I beg leave to say that I was not present when i Mr. STUÁRT and Mr. HAMLIN addressed Tube openly and without debate, his assent or dissent to the yeas and nays were called on the motion. the Chair.

The Secretary called the name of Mr. Foster, The VICE PRESIDENT. The Chair recoghe Secretary will proceed with the call. and he voted “ yea."

nizes the Senator from Michigan. he Secretary called the names of

The Secretary called the name of Mr. Hale. Mr. HAMLIN. With the permission of the Ir, FITZPATRICK. No response.

Mr. HALE. What is the question? I was not Senator from Michigan, I desire to say that in my Ir. Foor. “Present." in when the motion was put.

opinion, the Chair, in stating the motion, does not 1. Foster. "Present."

The VICE PRESIDENT. The question is on siate it in the language in which it was made by adjournment.

the Senator from New Hampshire. I think there T. HALE. I was not in when the question 1 Mr. HALE. Does the rule require a Senator is a great deal of force in the suggestion made by put. I do not know the motion before the li to vote if he is not in the Chamber when the ques the Senator from Virginia. tion is put?

Mr. PUGH. I call the Senator to order. The VICE PRESIDENT. The Senator shows

The 'VICE PRESIDENT. The question is motion to lie on the table is not debatable. now put.

Mr. HAMLIN. I am making a suggestion to Secretary continued to call the names of

Mr. HALE. I am ready to vote. I voteyea.” | the Chair in relation to the manner of proceeding.

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ing to hear the suggestion; but if the Senator from believe it has always been considered that an ap ties as each House may provide.” The eighth Ohio insists, I must

peal from the decision of the Chair is debatable. | rule of the Senate has this provision: Mr. STUART. I appeal from the decision of The VICE PRESIDENT. On a question of "No member shall absent himself from the service of the the Chair. order?

Senate without leave of the Senate first obtained. And in Mr. PUGH. I insist on it; if we are to have Mr. HALE. On a question of order.

case a less number than a quorum of the Senate sball conthis course of things, I call Senators on all sides Mr. GREEN. The uniform rule of parliament

vene, they are hereby authorized to send the Sergeant-at

Arms, or any other person or persons, by them authorized, to order. ary law is this: if the question itself is debata

for any or all absent members, as the majority of such memMr. STUART. I appeal from the decision of ble

bers present shall gree, at the expense of such absent mem. the Chair.

Mr. STUART. I call the Senator from Mis

bers, respectively, unless such excuse for non-attendance Mr. HAMLIN. I appeal from the decision of souri to order.

shall be made, as the Senate, when a quorum is convened,

shall judge sufficient, and in that case the experise shall be the Chair, if he sustains the point of order of the Mr. GREEN. Very well; state the point of

paid out of the contingent fund. And this rule shall apply Senator from Ohio; and I suppose on that ques| order.

as well to the first convention of the Senate at the legal tion I may be heard.

Mr. STUART. I call the Senator to order. time of meeting, as to each day of the session after the hour The VICE PRESIDENT. The Senate will be The VICE PRESIDENT, The Senator from

has arrived to which the Senate stood adjourned.” good enough to come to order. The Senator from Michigan will state his point of order.

Now, I think it is very manifest from the ConMichigan takes the appeal on the same point, I

Mr. STUART. I call him to order.

stitution constituting this body, that there is no believe, that the Senator from Maine proposes to Mr. GREEN. On what ground?

power to send for absent members, un ess there take his appeal.

Mr. STUART. The Chair has arrested the is not a quorum in attendance, and when there is Mr. HAMLIN. On this appeal, which has Senator from Missouri to decide the question of no quorum in attendance, the eighth rule points been taken, I only desire to state to the Chair order; and, while the Chair is deciding it, no Sen- | out ihe mode in which it can be done, and it can. what I think is material, I have risen for no other ator has a right to say a word on the subject. | not be done by more than a quorum. purpose. I heard the Senator from Virginia

Nir. GREEN. He has not arrested me.

Mr. BIGLER. That is the uniform practice. Mr. GREEN. Will the Senator give way for 1 Mr. STUART. The Senator from Maine. Mr. HAMLIN. The rule which the Senator a moment? If it will relieve the Senate from any ! Mr. GREEN, Correct yourself, not me. from Virginia has just read, confers upon a numembarrassment, although I have no doubt on the Mr. STUART. I stated the fact. My point ber in this body less than a quorum the power to question, I will withdraw my motion, and allow of order is, that the Chair having arrested the Sen do certain things without which rule they would the vote to be taken directly on the motion of the ator from Maine upon the point of order made by be powerless. Because it has conferred upon a Senator from New Hampshire, to send for the l the Senator from Ohio, that this is not a debata number less than a quorum a power to compel absentees, so that we may see whether the Sen ble question, until the Chair decides that point no the attendance of absentees, does it follow as a ate means to send for them or no. Senator has a right to say a word.

matter of course that a quorum cannot compel The VICE PRESIDENT, The yeas and nays Mr. GREEN, I wish to do justice

the attendance of those who are absent, if there have been ordered, and it requires unanimous con Mr. STUART. I call the Senator to order. is a quorum present? Far from it. But that is sent to withdraw the motion. Is consent given The VICE PRESIDENT. If the Senators will not the point to which I rose, and if Senators had that the motion be withdrawn?

both take their seats, the Chair will say a single not interrupted me, I should not have detained the Mr. SEWARD. I object.

word. The Chair decided the point of order with Senate more than a single moment. I rose be Mr. HAMLIN. I hope the Chair will allow out debate. The Senator from Michigan took an cause the Senator from Virginia had made a sug. me to proceed on the appeal which the Senator appeal from the decision of the Chair. The ques. gestion in which I thought there was much force. from Michigan or myself has taken from the rul tion is, whether that appeal is debatable. Such He stated this evening that it had been the uniform ing of the Chair. I believe it is a debatable ques a question has not arisen since I have occupied practice of the Senate up to this time to direct the

this chair, and I was disposed, with the consent Sergeant-at-Arms to request the attendance of abMr. PUGH. I want to find out whether that of the Senate, to take the experience of a few of sent Senators. appeal is debatable. I object to your proceeding the older Senators on that point, and to be gov Mr. MASON. For want of a quorum. until the Chair decides it. erned by the practice of the body.

Mr. HAMLIN. No matter whether there was Mr. HAMLIN. I only want to state the form Mr. STUART. I have no objection to that. or was not a quorum. The Chair in his stateof the question, and I will state it. What is the The VICE PRESIDENT. I think it is a very | ment of the question to the Senate put it in this decision of the Chair? plain mode of proceeding.

way: Will the Senate direct the Sergeant-at-Arms - Mr. STUART. There is nothing for the Chair Mr. MASON. Will the Chair be good enough to bring in the absent members ? and that was the '3" to decide.

to state the judgment that is appealed from? I || point to which I rose, The VICE PRESIDENT. The Senator from did not hear it.

The VICE PRESIDENT. That was the lan. So , New Hampshire moved that the Sergeant-at-Arms | The VICE PRESIDENT. The Senator from | guage of the motion. be directed to go after the absent Senators. The New Hampshire moved that the Sergeant-at-Arms Mr. HAMLIN. Then I hope the Senator from Senator from Missouri moved to lay that motion be directed to go after the absent members. The New Hampshire will modify his motion so that upon the table. The Senator from Michigan Senator from Missouri moved to lay that motion it shall conform to what has been the uniform raised the point of order that the motion of the upon the table. The Senator from Michigan | practice of the Senate. Senator from Missouri is not in order. The Chair raised the point of order that the motion of the Mr. HALE. I will do that. decided it to be in order. From that decision the || Senator from Missouri could not be entertained. | Mr. HAMLIN. That is all I had to say..! Senator from Michigan appeals. The question | The Chair decided that motion to be in order, as | now withdraw my appeal from the decision of the now is," Shall the decision of the Chair stand as the effect of its adoption would be the expression Chair. the judgment of the Senate?".

of a purpose on the part of the Senate not to send Mr. STUART. It is my appeal. Mr. HAMLIN. Now I propose to say a word for the absent Senators, but to lay aside the con

Mr. HAMLIN on that appeal.

sideration of that matter. The Senator from Mich- || Mr. STUART. I yielded the floor to the SenMr. PUGH. I object that that is not a debat igan appealed from the decision of the Chair | ator from Maine. Now, Mr. President able appeal, because the motion to lay on the ta deciding that the motion of the Senator from Mis | Mr. FITCH. With the permission of the Senble is not debatable.

souri was in order. The Senator from Maine ator from Michigan, I wish to ask the Chair Mr. HAMLIN. Let us hear what the Chair proposes to debate that appeal. What the Chair question. The decision, I understand, from which

from which says.

desires to know is, whether, by the practice of | the Senator from Michigan appealed, was a de The VICE PRESIDENT. Since the present this body, appeals from the decision of the Chair cision that a motion to lay on the table another people live occupant has been in this chair no question has on points of order have been debatable, He heard

motion was in order. The motion to lay on the the suggestion of the Senator from New Hamp

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table is not debatable. Now, can a non-debatable are debatable or not. The rules say that the Chair shire, and would be glad to hear other brief sug. question be made debatable by some collatera. must decide every question of order without de gestions to the point from any Senator who is motion in relation to it? bate, subject to an appeal to the Senate. Whether, aware of the practice. The Senator from Maine Mr. STUART. I have yielded the floor a good te on when an appeal is iaken, that appeal is debatable is on the floor, and the Chair will hear what he many times to-day, and am willing to yield it & desna or not, the Chair must decide according to the desires to say.

good many times more; but I should have got usage of the Senate.

Mr. GWIN. Will the Senator from Maine

through long ago with what I had to say if sebag! Mr. HAMLIN. The uniform practice of the permit me to ask the Chair a question?

ators had allowed me the privilege. I have not Senate, without exception, has been to allow de Mr. HAMLIN. Certainly.

the slightest disposition to raise any controversy bate on appeals.

Mr. GWIN, I desire to ask whether, when here in the Senate; on the contrary, I intend to him Mr. HALE. As a matter of history, if the there is a quorum present and the last vote exert every power that I have to prevent it. up Chair will indulge me, I will say that a few years showed thirty-nine Senators to be here it is in

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this point I wish to suggest to the Chair, IN 00 ago, when Mr. Dallas presided over this body, order to move to send for absent Senators ? dience to his own request, that every question

that every question of throne this very question was raised. I remember that Mr. JONES. It is not.

order, either put by the Chair to the Senate, Mr. Dallas suggested that the appeal must be de The VICE PRESIDENT. The Chair has de taken from the Chair on an appeal to the Senate, cided without debate; but the late Mr. Berrien, cided that question.

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is debatable in the very nature of the questions who was then on this floor, a Senator from Geor Mr. MASON. The Constitution of the United | There is a provision in one of our rul gia, immediately suggested that that would be to States declares that "each House shall be the question of order is to be decided, without debate, or paralyze the Senate by the will of an officer not

Ljudge of the elections, returns, and qualifications | by the Chair, but that means a question of their own selection, and that, when he had de of its own members, and a majority of each shall || a Senator is in order in debate; it does not wie diverse cided a question, and an appeal was taken from constitute a quorum to do business; but a smaller his decision, that was always open to debate.

oustess; but a smaller || any other question of order. When a behan

number may adjourn from day to day, and may || called to order the Chair is to decide the quested Mr. Dallas retracted the opinion which he had be authorized to compel the attendance of absent whether he is in order or not. It is also pre advanced, upon the suggestion of Mr. Berrien. I ll members, in such manner and under such penal- V in the same rule that the Chair may subu

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question of order to the Senate. Does not the permitted to proceed, so that each Senator may motion is a proposition. Every resolution is a Chair see that the moment a question of order is be heard, and heard at a proper time. I should motion; every motion is a resolution, and there submitted to the Senate each Senator is at liberty !! be glad to have that done; I should be glad to is no distinction between them. If any member to give his reasons for his vote upon it? The Chair | make any arrangements to perfect it; but, sir, I of the Senate chooses to require that that propohas that right. When the Chair is called upon to have no purpose and I beg to say to the Chair sition be reduced to writing, it must be put in the decide a question of order, there is no human power and to the Senate, that whatever may result from shape of a motion. There is, therefore, no disthat can prevent him from stating the grounds on this controversy, I hope to be able to maintain a tinciion, no question between the Senator from which he decides it. You would stullify him if proper feeling myself, and a proper respect for Michigan and myself. The Senator from New it were otherwise. So, when an appeal is taken everybody. It is obvious, however, that if this Hampshire moved a certain proposition, I moved to the Senate each Senator is called upon to vote, course of proceeding is to go on, a mere question to lay that proposition on the table. He says that and he is not to vole sub silentio. He has a righi of endurance at this stage of the debate, we shall a motion to lay another motion on the table canto state the grounds on which he bases his opin hardly be able to keep ourselves within that rule. not be entertained because that may be reconsidion: and, therefore, the Chair will see at a glance ! Hence it was that I desired that no decision ered and taken up at any time. that, without restriction, every appeal from the should be made either by the Chair or the Senate Mr. STUART. No, sir. President to the Senate is debatable.

in the haste or under the excitement of the occa 1 Mr. GREEN. What then? So of the motion The VICE PRESIDENT. The Chair will sug sion, which might be deemed improper hereafter; to reconsider; and I have heard him move to regest to the Senator that he has not decided that it and it was for that reason, and that alone, that I consider a vote that has been taken; and when that is not debatable.

took the appeal at this time, and with great reluc motion to reconsider has been made, I have also Mr. STUART. So I understood; but I also tance, for it would give me vastly more pleasure heard him move to lay that motion on the table. understood the Chair to say that he desired the to sustain the Chair, than to overrule him on any Here is a motion laid on the table, and it has been opinion of some Senators on that question, and occasion; but I insist that it is not in order to the uniform practice of the Senate. it was in obedience to that suggestion that I was move to lay a mere motion on the table.

On the other question of order I shall not take giving my opinion.

Mr. MASON. I wish only to add a word to one moment of time, for the reason that I esteem The VÍCE PRESIDENT. Does the Senator what has fallen from the Senator from Michigan. the decision of the Chair to be right, correct, and desire to debate the appeal

My impressions strongly are that he is right in his proper. With reference to the idea of the SenaMr. STUART. Yes, sir.

suggestion that it is not in order, in the Senate at il tor from Michigan, that the Chair could not enThe VICE PRESIDENT. The Chair will least, to move to lay a motion on the table. I think tertain the appeal because a motion to lay it on hear the Senator.

there is such a practice in the House of Repre. the table was out of order, that seems to me so Mr. STUART. I do not desire to detain the sentatives. How it arose there, I do not know: in conflict with the ordinary practice of the SenSenate on this topic. I am satisfied that the whether it is under rule or under usage; but I do ate, so in conflict with the principles of parliaground assumed by the Senator from Virginia is not recollect of any proposition in the Senate to mentary law, that there can be no difficulty on correct; that the motion made by the Senator lay a motion on the table. I have been confirmed that subject. Any proposition, any motion, any from New Hampshire itself is not in order; that l in that impression by a recurrence to the Manual, order, anything pending before the Senate, may it is not a power which attaches to any portion which is a part of our rules; which, with the per be laid on the table. You may present it in the of the Senate, unless there is not a quorum pres- missiou of the Senate, I will read, as it is very | shape of a motion, proposition, bill, petition, or ent. The Chair will allow me to say furiher, brief:

anything else, and you may then move to lay it with great respect, that I do not think he had any! "When the House has something else which claims its

on the table. There is now a motion pending; power to cause the roll to be called. The Chair present attention, but would be willing to reserve in their

and if I had chosen lo exact it of the Senator can do what the rules authorize him to do. The power to take up a proposition whenever it shall suit them, from New Hampshire, he would be compelled to eighth rule, read by the Senator from Virginia, they order it to lie on their table. It may then be called for

reduce it to writing in this from:“ Ordered, That at any time." authorizes the Senate, when less than a quorum

the Sergeant-at-Arms be directed to send for the is convened, to take measures to bring in the ab That refers altogether to propositions; it cannot absentees." That would be his resolution; that sentees at their own expense. That is the extent i refer to a motion. In my recollection of the usage is his motion. The fact that I have not chosen of their authority. Now, sir, upon this ques of the Senate, I have never known a motion made, to require him to reduce it to writing does not tion

or to prevail if it were made, to lay a mere motion lessen my rights on the question pending before The VICE PRESIDENT. Will the Senator on the table.

the Senate. When that resolution, proposition, allow the Chair to interrupt him with a suggesMr. GREEN. Mr. President

or motion, is pending, I may choose to move to uon?

The VICE PRESIDENT. With the leave of lay it on the table, and the Senate has the right Mr. STUART. Certainly.

the Senate the Chair will very briefly state the go to order, there being & ouorum present authorThe VICE PRESIDENT. The motion of the grounds of his decision. The Senator from Newized to transact business. I will not consume the Senator from New Hampshire, in the language |! Hampshire moved that the Sergeant-at-Arms be time of the Senate. I know the Senator from la which it is now put, is simply that the Ser i directed to request the attendance of absent Sen Michigan is mistaken in his point of order. I geant-at-Arms be directed to request the attend. ators. The Senator from Missouri moved to lay know that a motion and a resolution are really ance of absent Senators. Does ihe Senator from that motion on the table. The Chair decided the the same; that the one is reduced to writing, and Michigan think there is any objection to the mo- f motion of the Sena

motion of the Senator from Missouri to be in or the other may be reduced to writing, if any Sention in chat form?

der. From this decision the Senator from Mich ator so requires. They are the same; there is no Mr. STUART. I do not.

igan appeals. The question is, whether the mo distinction between them. I shall not consume The VICE PRESIDENT. That is the motion tion of ihe Senator from New Hampshire was of time, but ask for a vote on the point now pending before the Senate.

a character which could be laid on the table. The Mr. STUART. Now, sir, the Senator from Chair considers the word “ proposition” in the Mr. HALE. What is the question before the Missouri moves to lay that motion on the table. || clause read by the Senator from Virginia to be of Senate? The Senate may refuse to agree to the motion of || very broad significance and covering a motion. The VICE PRESIDENT. Shall the decision We Senator from New Hampshire, but I submit! A motion is a form of proposition. It is a ques. ll of the Chair stand as the judgment of the Senate? to the consideration of the Chair, that a motion

tion. It was under debate. The question was, i Mr. SEWARD. I understood that the Chair Which connects with it no papers, no substance,

shall the Sergeant-al-Arms be directed to request had invited the opinion of Senators on the quesDo subject, cannot be laid on the table, any more the attendance of absent members? It is not for the tion whether the appeal from the Chair was detlan a motion to adjourn can. I know there is Chair to say that it is not in the power of the Sen batable. mother reason connecting itself with the motion I! ate to declare that they will lay aside, for laying on The VICE PRESIDENT. There seems to o adjourn; but it is a mere motion. A motion

the table is nothing more than laying aside the con- | be a general understanding in the Senate, several o adiouro over mourn over to a particular day, or anything sideration of that question, proposition, or motion, Senators, without contradiction, stating that it

is on a mere motion, connecting itself with 1 to wit: directing the Sergeant-at-Arms to request had been the custom of the body to debate apbill, no papers, nothing that is substantial, the attendance of absent Senators. There is a rule peals, and the Chair therefore listened to debate. hot be laid upon the table. I was about to 1 of the Senate which the Chair supposes to bear Mr. HALE. I was going to say a word or two, and it is really all the desire I had on this

| somewhat on this point. “When a question is because I do not wish to see a bad precedent set Djali-that I made an effort to-day, and I should

underdebate!_he word is very broad-"no mo- now. te to make it again, to have the Senate come to

tion shall be received but to adjourn, to lie on the The VICE PRESIDENT. The Chair has me understanding by which we shall progress table, to postpone indefinitely,” &c. The Chair heard debate on the appeal, and he will hear the some mode that will correspond with the dig

thinks that the effect of voting to lay this motion Senator from New Hampshire. y of the Senate.

i on the table is nothing more than the expression Mr. HALE. I wish to thank the Senator from VICE PRESIDENT. Will the Senator of the purpose of the Senate not to consider at Missouri for not compelling me to reduce my mopend for

for a moment? The Chair must request is this time the motion or proposition of the Senator tion to writing. (Laughier.) That is a licle 200rs on all sides to preserve order. The buzz from New Hampshire to direct the Sergeant-at favor.

Mr. GREEN, I know the Senator is not a good er 18 so great that the Chair cannot || Arms to request the attendance of absent mem

ator from Michigan. Senators will i| bers. This is the ground of the decision. The scrivener, and therefore I excuse him. pod enough to come to order. Chair will put the appeal.

i Mr. HALE. If he had insisted on it I should F. STUART. I was about to say that I de

Mr. GREEN. I merely wish to remark that have asked the clerk to write it for me. [LaughWat there shall be some arrangement made,

| all I had to say has already been said by the Chair, ter.) But, sir, I want to be serious. I do not understanding in the body, by which we

l and said in a manner more clear and explicit than want a bad example set here at this time. I think proceed with this discussion in a manner 1 I could possibly say it myself. I made a motion la decision or an intimation sustained by grave sponding with the dignity of the Senate and to lay a proposition on ihe table. The Chair Senators that an appeal from the decision of the mportance of the question; and so long as the entertained ii. A question of order was raised Chair is not debatable would be very dangerous,

h 18 of a proper character, it ought to be ll whether a motion could be laid on the table. A ll and very alarming to the liberties of the Senate.

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The VICE PRESIDENT. The Chair has not Mr. PUGH. Is it in order to move that that another, an appeal from the decision of the Chair, 80 decided, and it has been for half an hour actu-motion lie on the table after the yeas and nays motions to lie on the table, and motions to adjourn. ally under debate. The Chair hears debate on it. I | are demanded ?

All these, it seems to me, can accomplish no good, Mr. HALE. If that is the understanding of The VICE PRESIDENT. There is a question and will not further the business of the Senate at the Chair and the Senate, I will not say a word. before the body.

all. It comes to a matter of physical endurance Before I sit down, however, I wish to say that I Mr. HAMLİN. That would carry the whole whether Senators can be forced to make their concur in opinion with the Chair and the Senator question with it, would it not?

speeches at unreasonable hours, or whether they from Missouri about this point of order which The VICE PRESIDENT. Does the Senator will forego the opportunity to deliver their views was raised by the Senator from Michigan. from Ohio refer to the motion of the Senator from which they consider it due to themselves and the Mr. PUGH. I objected to the Senator from Massachusetts ?

positions ihey occupy to lay before the people. Maine proceeding; but he made his speech; and Mr. PUGH. Yes, sir.

The question before us is a very important one, now I move to lay the appeal on the table. The VICE PRESIDENT. The Chair did not admitted to be such upon all sides of the Chamber;

1-12 Mr. WADE. I call for the yeas and nays on so understand. That is in order.

one affecting the peace and harmony of the Union; that motion.

Mr. PUGH. I move that the motion of the one putting to hazard, I may say, the peace and The yeas and nays were ordered; and being Senator from Massachusetts lie on the table. harmony of the Union. taken, resulted-yeas 26, nays 15; as follows: Mr. HAMLIN. We will all vote for that. It Mr. BIGGS. Will the Senator from Illinois YEAS_Messrs. Allen. Bayard. Beniamin. Biggs. Bigler. carries the whole subject.

be kind enough to suggest some day when we can Brown, Clark, Fitch, Green, Gwin, Hale, Hammond, Iver Mr. STUART. Thope I shall not be consid- I probably take this vote? If he will do so, I shall son, Johnson of Arkansas, Johnson of Tennessee, Jones,

ered, by the Chair or the Senate, as specially ob- \l be much obliged to him. Kennedy, Mallory, Mason, Polk, Pugh, Sebastian, Slidell, Thomson of New Jersey, Toombs, and Wright-26.

trusive; but I wish to suggest that this motion to Mr. TRUMBULL. I cannot do that, because NAYS-Messrs. Broderick, Chandler, Dixon, Doolittle, postpone is a bare, naked motion, connecting I am not authorized to speak for others; but I will Douglas, Fooi, Foster, Hamlin, Harlan, King, Seward, nothing with it.

give the Senator my own view about it, I have no Stuart, Trumbull, Wade, and Wilson-15.

The VICE PRESIDENT. The Chair, on re doubt, from what knowledge I have of the Senate, So it was ordered that the appeal taken by Mr. fection, will rule this motion to be out of order. that the vote can be taken this week, or certainly by Stuart from the decision of the Chair lie on the Mr. PUGH. I will call the attention of the Monday next. I am not aware myself of Senators table. Chair to the Manual.

who propose to speak, that would occupy half that The VICE PRESIDENT. The question re The VICE PRESIDENT. The rules provide time. Still, I cannot give that assurance, because curs on the motion that the proposition of the that, " when a question is under debate, no mo I am not authorized to speak for other persons; Senator from New Hampshire dolie on the table. tion shall be received but to adjourn, to lie on the but I know of no disposition to prolong the deOn this question the yeas and nays have been or table, to postpone indefinitely, to postpone to a bate unreasonably; nor do I know of any gentledered.

day certain,'' &c. The Chair does not understand man who desires to speak for the purpose of ocMr. SEWARD. I will trouble the Chair to i that, under this rule, the motion of the Senator cupying time. If there are such persons, they are state the question again; there is so much noise li from Ohio is in order.

unknown to me. I had supposed that on this here that I cannot hear.

Mr. PUGH. Mr. Jefferson, in remarking on question ample time would be afforded for all SenThe VICE PRESIDENT. When the Senate that subject, says in the Manual:

ators to be heard upon it during the week. I think comes to order, the Chair will state the questioni

" When the House has something else which clairns its

this week will be sufficient; but still I cannot before it. The Senator from New Hampshire has

present attention, but would be willing to reserve it in their il promise that it will be so. I think it would be moved that the Sergeant-at-Arms be directed to power to take up a proposition whenever it shall suit them, better for us to stop where we are. Let this matrequest the attendance of absent Senators. The they order it to lie on their table. It may then be called for

ter go over, and the other side will find that the Senator from Missouri has moved that that propat any time.”

question will be disposed of quite as soon by purosition do lie on the table; and the question is on I think we have something that suits our at. suing the ordinary course, as by this attempt at the motion of the Senator from Missouri.

tention better than this motion. We can take it coercion. It is unpleasant always to be coerced. The question being taken by yeas and nays, up an hour hence.

It is a delicate subject. There is bad enough feelresulted-yeas 25, nays 15; as follows:

The VICE PRESIDENT. The Chair sug. ing in the country at best. Sections of the counYEAS-Messrs. Allen, Bayard, Benjamin, Biggs, Bigler,

gests to the Senator that, by the eleventh rule of | try are being arrayed against each other. I do Brown, Chandler, Fitch, Green, Gwin, Hammond, Iverson, the body, when a proposition is under debate, not wish to increase that feeling unnecessarily, be Johnson of Arkansas, Johnson of Tennessee, Jones, Ken there are a series of motions which may be made; the issue of this matter what it may. I hope it nedy, Mallory, Mason, Polk, Pugh, Sebastian, Slidell,

one of which is to lie on the table; another is to Thomson of New Jersey, Toombs, and Wrigbi-25.

will be permitted to go over until another day, and NAYS- Messrs. Broderick, Clark, Dixon, Doolittle, postpone to a day certain..

take the usual course. Douglas, Foot, Foster, Hale, Hamlin, Harlan, King, Sew. Mr. PUGH. The paragraph I have read is Mr. TOOMBS. I will claim a few moments of ard, Truinbull, Wade, and Wilson--15.

Mr. Jefferson's commentary on that very rule, as the time of the Senate, by their permission. GenSo it was ordered that Mr. Hale's motion do the Chair will see if he looks at the Manual. tlemen around the Chamber have alluded to gaga lie on the table.

The VICE PRESIDENT. If there be no fur ging and forcing and cramming. I wish to give Mr. CHANDLER. I move a reconsideration ther suggestion, the Chair will direct the roll to be

a short history of the country, for I trust this of the last vote; I think it is wrong. called.

night's work will be remembered. It ought to be Mr. GREEN. Did the Senator vote in the Mr. TRUMBULL. What is the question ? remembered here and elsewhere. It is a new era affirmative?

The VICE PRESIDENT. On the motion of in the Senate, and one that ought to be marked. Mr. WILSON. I believe the question now to the Senator from Massachusetts to postpone the This question has been discussed since the sesbe taken, is on the motion to postpone this mat further consideration of this subject until half past sion commenced. I believe the first speech that ter until to-morrow at half past twelve o'clock. twelve o'clock to-morrow.

was made in the Senate of the United States at 3. Selle Mr. CHANDLER. It is on the reconsidera Mr. TRUMBULL. On that question, which the present session of Congress was on the adtion.

I believe is debatable, I should like to make a mission of Kansas into the Union under the LeThe VICE PRESIDENT. Did the Senator || suggestion or two to the Senate, if one so humble compton constitution, on the 9th day of Decem- . from Michigan vote in the affirmative?

as myself may get the ear of the Senate. It seems ber, 1857. We have continued from time to time, Mr. CHANDLER. I did.

to me that very little is being accomplished by probably every week, when any gentleman dem Mr. PUGH. Is it in order to reconsider a vote this night session. I have never known much sired it, to argue the question up to this 15th day of the Senate deciding that a motion shall lie on accomplished by such sessions. There are sev of March. We have consumed upon it more than the table? The motion that it lie on the table is eral gentlemen who desire to say something upon the time allotted every second year to the 018itself a privileged motion. If you can reconsider this bill. I myself had desired to address the charge of the entire legislative business of the Re that, you might reconsider the previous question Senate upon it; but I am not entirely ready to do sol public - more than sufficient to discharge that and everything. The proper motion would be to to-night, and if I were to undertake to do so now, I business every year by persons fit to do it, and take it up when the Senator can get his motion in it would probably take me much longer than it who address themselves to its performance. order.

would if I were better prepared. We have abund It has been the fixed purpose, if I may judge Mr. STUART. Certainly; the rule is without ance of time before us, and I apprehend we shall the conduct of the Opposition, at all times with DVA exception that any motion made and carried in get the final vote as soon by going on in the ordi- is the last fortnight, to delay this business. som the affirmative may be reconsidered.

nary way, meeting and adjourning at reasonable of the gentlemen have even a vailed themselves of The VICE PRESIDENT. The Chair was hours, as we shall by the attempt to coerce mem the casual absence of Senators on the other side de about to remark that he was not aware of any rule

bers of the Senate to deliver their views now, or to cut off a speech in the middle at an early hour which would cut off the motion now made. It is be cut off. I think nothing will be gained even of the day, and thus take up two days with moved to reconsider the vote by which the prop in point of time by this attempt. It will engender speech. Two or three Senators on this side osition was ordered to lie on the table. That l bad feeling; we make a bad exhibition of ourselves

| the Hall have taken two days each to speak upora motion will be entered on the Journal and can be li before the country. In any point of view in which il the subiect. Now they talk nf proper hours. ? called up hereafter. The question now before the || I can look at this matter, I can only see evil to Il Some of them have commenced their speeches as Senate is the motion of the Senator from Massa V grow out of it, and no possible good. Now we ll one o'clock, spoken an hour and a half, and

fand then, chusetts, that the further consideration of this have consumed nearly six hours since the usual | in the casual absence of Senators on the other subject be postponed until to-morrow at half past || time of adjournment, and but one speech is partly side, postponed the subject, and consumed me twelve o'clock. On that question the yeas and through. If we had adjourned at the ordinary

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s h nays were called for, but have not yet been or time, I doubt not that the Senator from New Hamp adjourned over from Thursday to Monday. A dered. The Chair will take the sense of the Sen shire (Mr. CLARK) would make his speech, prob

week ago to-day, according to the usual custom ate as to whether the question shall be taken by ably, in a couple of hours to-morrow; and now his of this body since I have been a member of partie yeas and nays. remarks have been interfered with, and thereby | notice was given that we would endeavor, in on

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