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tuents; but when bribery and corrupt motives prevail within doors, they will certainly prevail without, and then we may see a member burnt in effigy one year in the public streets of his borough, and re-chosen the year following as their representative in a new parliament: we may see the most notorious fraudulent prac tices carried on by the underlings in power, and those underlings encouraged by the minister, and protected by a majority in parliament: we may see the most unpopular and destructive measures pursued by our ministers, and all approved, nay, applauded by parliament. These things we may see, Sir: these things we have seen within these last twenty years; and this has brought our affairs both at home and abroad into the melancholy situation which is now acknowledged by all, and will soon, I fear, be severely felt by the whole nation.

If the present distress of our domestie affairs were a secret, I should avoid mentioning it as much as any gentleman whatever; but alas! it is no secret either to our enemies or friends; and this makes the former despise us, and the latter shy of

in this House is governed by his hopes of reward, will ever set himself up as a check upon the conduct of those who alone can bestow the reward he expects. We must therefore suppose, that ministers may prevail with a majority of this House to approve or agree to what appears to be for the public service, without having it in their power to give a title, post, or pension, to every one that approves of their measures; or otherwise we must conclude, that no such House ought to exist, and, consequently, that the very form of a limited government ought to be abolished in this selfish and corrupt nation. What effect some late corrupt practices may have had upon the genius and morals of the lower sort of people, I do not know; but, I hope, it has as yet had little or no effect upon the generality of those that have any chance of being members of this House; and unless they are become very much degenerated, we must from experience conclude, that when our ministers pursue popular and right measures, they may depend upon the assistance and approbation of parliament. This, I say, we must from experience conclude, for in former ages our ministers had but few re-entering into any engagements with us. wards to bestow, and yet they never failed of having the parliament's approbation, when their measures were' such as were agreeable to the people. Nay, from the very nature of the case we must draw the same conclusion; for a House of Commons freely chosen by the people, must approve of what the people approves of: if from selfish motives they should disapprove, or oppose such measures, the opposing members would be sure of being turned out at the next election; and, as the king has it in his power to bring on a new election whenever he pleases, his ministers may easily get rid of such selfish, mean spirited members, and may, consequently, if they desire it, always have a parliament generally composed of gentlemen of true honour and public spirit; but the contrary is what most ministers desire, as has of late been manifest from the characters of those who were generally set up as candidates upon the court interest.

We can never therefore be in danger of anarchy or confusion, from its not being in the power of a minister to bribe a majority of this House into his measures, nor can we suppose that the people will rechuse a majority of those who have, in a former session, opposed what was agreeable to the greatest part of their consti

We may threaten, but our enemies know we are unable to carry our threats into execution: we may promise, but our friends know we are unable to perform our engagements. This knowledge has made those who are the professed enemies of public liberty more daring in their attempts, and, I am afraid, it will render it impossible to form any confederacy sufficient for defeating their present ambitious projects; and it is so evident that this misfortune has been brought upon us and Europe by our bad economy at home, and our wicked, wrong-headed, or pusillanimous conduct abroad, that I am surprised to hear the contrary asserted now, when the fatal consequences of our conduct are become so glaring.

I shall grant, Sir, that the nation has been of late years involved in many broils, but I will affirm, and it has been fully proved at the respective times those broils happened, that every one we have been engaged in since his late majesty's accession to the throne, has proceeded from some scheme of our own contriving, or from some wrong step in our own administration. I shall not trouble you with taking notice of every particular, because it would be tedious, and, I think, unnccessary; therefore I shall confine my

|sisted upon satisfaction, with regard to his claims upon Silesia, before they guaranteed the Pragmatic Sanction, they might have obtained a stipulation for that purpose from the court of Vienna, which would have prevented that invasion. But even after this neglect, they might have prevented the war now carrying on in Germany: for the king of Prussia offered such terms as ought in prudence, perhaps in justice too, to have been accepted by the court of Vienna, and would have been accepted by that court, if we had insisted upon it as the condition sine qua non of our giving them any assistance. If we had done this, it is evident from facts and dates, that the clector of Bavaria would never have been chosen emperor, nor would he have attacked the queen of Hungary, and in that case no Frenchman would have entered Germany in a hostile manner; for none of the French troops entered Germany, nor did the elector of Bavaria commit any one act of hostility against the queen of Hungary, till the king of Prussia was drove into their alliance by the obstinacy of the court of Vienna; and that court was encouraged in their obstinacy by our ministers, which I need not trouble you with demonstrating, because it is evident not only from the papers upon our table, but also from the Resolution of this House in favour of the queen of Hungary, before she had any other declared enemy beside Prussia, and especially from the violent speeches that were made by some gentlemen upon that occasion.

self to the three wars now carrying on in Europe, I mean that between Spain and us; that between the elector of Bavaria assisted by the French, and the queen of Hungary; and that between the Swedes and Muscovites; and I shall shew, that every one of them proceeded from the ridiculous conduct of our ministers. With regard to the Spanish war, if our ministers had, at the time of the treaty of Seville, insisted upon an explanation of former treaties, which had, before that time, been misinterpreted by Spain: if they had insisted upon Spain's giving up her pretence of visiting, searching, or seizing, in time of peace, any ships in the high seas of America, on account of what they called contraband goods, I am convinced, the court of Spain would have agreed to give up that pretence, in the most explicit terms, rather than lose the advantages stipulated for them by that treaty. Even after this false step, if our ministers had properly resented the treatment our commissaries met with at the court of Spain, and had peremptorily insisted upon immediate satisfaction for the first insult our merchant ships met with in the seas of America, the Spanish court would have complied, rather than enter into a war with this nation, at the very time they were engaged in a war with the emperor in Italy. But instead of this, our ministers, ever since the year 1720, appeared so complaisant in every negociation with that court, and submitted so tamely to every insult, that the court of Spain began to imagine, that we would give up the point in dispute, rather than come to an open rupture with them; and this, I am persuaded, would have been the consequence of the late Convention, if the indignation of our people had not at last got the better of the submission of our ministers. Our present war with Spain is, therefore, evidently owing to the ill-timed complaisance and pusillanimity of our ministers, and yet this complaisance and pusillanimity was in every step approved by our parliaments, and has not even yet been censured, notwithstanding the fatal consequence it has produced, and the disappointment of all those hopes, with which our ministers so confidently flattered us, that their tedious negociations would at last end in an honourable and advantageous peace.

Then, Sir, with regard to the war in Germany, even the king of Prussia's invading Silesia was owing to the bad conduct of our ministers; for if they had in

Having thus shewn, Sir, that it was by the bad conduct of our ministers that the French and Bavarians were encouraged to attack the queen of Hungary, I need not use many words to prove, that the war between Sweden and Muscovy is owing to the same cause; for from the time that war was declared by Sweden it is evident, that if the French had not resolved to send their troops into Germany, the Swedes would not have declared war against Muscovy: and consequently, if the conduct of our ministers was the cause of the French resolving to send their troops into Germany, it was the ultimate cause of the Swedes declaring war against Muscovy.

It is therefore evident, Sir, that not only the present distresses of this nation, but all the distresses and confusions in which Europe is at present involved, are owing to the late measures of our administration; and though the consequences were not perhaps at first so visible as they are at

Mr. Sandys:

present, yet it cannot be said, they were not foretold; for what we now see has been often foretold both within doors and without; and, appeared manifest to a great majority of the nation, though to our great misfortune it never appeared so to a majority of this House, which I am not at all surprised at, considering the great number of placemen and expectants we had always in this assembly. That any of those placemen or expectants were wilfully blind, I shall not pretend to say: I do believe, that many, if not all of them, were imposed on by the specious pretences made use of upon each respective occasion; and I the rather believe so, because I know how easy it is to impose upon men, when their own private interest is made the harbinger of the deceit; but the misfortunes we now labour under, and the evidence from whence those misfortunes have all proceeded, ought to be a prevailing argument with us, to prevent any public deceit being hereafter introduced into this House by the same sort of gentlemanusher. That this Bill will be altogether effectual for this purpose, is what I shall not pretend to assert, but I am convinced it will have some effect; and as it is the best remedy I can think of at present, I am therefore for agreeing to the motion.

Mr. Philips:

Sir; as I had the honour to be one of those that received the commands of the House last session, to bring in a Bill of this nature, I cannot sit still, and not testify my approbation of it now. If ever there was a time when it was necessary to preserve the purity of this House, and to guard against the influence that the enjoyment of power and profit is too apt to have on the minds of men, this is the time, when the nation is poor, groaning under the burden of heavy taxes, and yet luxurious and extravagant in the pursuit of pleasures. Nothing can so effectually preserve this nation from ruin, as the maintaining of innate freedom within these walls, and nothing can so effectually attack and get the better of that freedom, as the allurements of places and offices, which insensibly lead men away from their first resolves, and at length, by custom and example, quite harden and corrupt them. A Bill therefore of this nature, that so evidently tends (if you will give me leave to use the expression) to lead men out of temptation,' must necessarily deliver them from evil; therefore I heartily concur in the motion,

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Sir; as it is very well known, and, I doubt not, very well remembered, that I had last session the honour not only to be one of those that received the commands of this House to bring in such a Bill, as is now proposed, but was also the first mover for it, and as I shall now be against the motion, I think myself bound in duty to my sovereign, to myself, to my country, and to the liberties of Europe, to give my reasons for this change in my behaviour, which, without an explanation, might perhaps, by some gentlemen, be presumed to proceed from motives of a mercenary or ambitious nature; and I must begin, Sir, with assuring you, that this change in my behaviour does not proceed from any change in my situation, or from any change in my sentiments with regard to the Bill itself, but merely from a change in the circumstances of our affairs both abroad and at home.

With regard to the necessity of our having such a Bill as this passed into a law, my sentiments are rather confirmed than altered by my change of situation; but, I hope, there is no gentleman in this House so deficient in that respect which is due to his sovereign, as to chuse to have his majesty's assent to any necessary Bill rather compelled than freely obtained. When I talk of his majesty, Sir, every gentleman must be sensible, that my duty as a subject, and now as a servant, obliges me to express myself with the greatest caution; but as the great king William sometimes altered his sentiments with regard to bills in parliament, I hope, I may say, without any breach of my duty, that the wisest of kings are in some cases too much influenced in their sentiments, with regard to bills offered to them by parliament, by the artful insinuations of those who have accidentally and undeservedly the honour of being in their councils. Though his present majesty's sentiments, with regard to the Bill now proposed, were never publicly known: though he never was brought under a necessity to declare them, yet we have great reason to believe, that he was last session prejudiced against any such Bill as was then passed by this House. This, I believe the majority of us were then convinced of; but we had then the misfortune to be convinced likewise, that he had no man in his councils who would attempt or presume to remove those prejudices. This made it necessary for the

our counsels, but we had then the misfortune to have a person at the head of our administration, from whom we could expect no such resolution. From his influence we could expect nothing but an inglorious peace, or a sham war. In these circumstances a contest with our sovereign could be no detriment, but might be of great advantage to the nation, because it could produce nothing of worse consequence than such a peace or war as was to be expected from that minister's conduct, and it might produce a change in our administration. This was a reason for our pushing the Bill at that time, even though

parliament to interfere, and by passing Buch a Bill to endeavour to remove those prejudices, by shewing him it was agreeable to his supreme, however disagreeable it might be to his subordinate councils. But thank God! our circumstances in this respect are very much altered. I hope, we are all convinced, I am sure, I am convinced, that his majesty has now some gentlemen in his councils that will take the liberty to endeavour to remove his prejudices, by shewing that such a Bill as this no way incroaches upon his prerogative, and is absolutely necessary for preserving the liberties of his people; and as soon as they have done this piece of ser-known to be contrary to our sovereign's vice to their country, I am convinced, they will themselves propose the bringing of such a Bill into this House, which would certainly communicate a more exquisite pleasure to every man who wishes well to our present royal family, than can be communicated by his majesty's bare assent to such a Bill.

I shall grant, Sir, that we are obliged, and ought to acknowledge our gratitude to our sovereign, even when he does no more than barely give the royal assent to an useful, necessary, and popular Bill; but the obligation is certainly much greater, and will contribute more towards gaining his majesty the affections of his people, when such a Bill flows originally from the crown itself, and is introduced here by those who are the known servants of the crown; therefore as this Bill is an useful and popular Bill, it must be the desire of every gentleman who has a regard for the present royal family, that it should come from the crown itself; and as we have great reason to expect this from some of those who have been lately introduced into his majesty's councils, as soon as they can gain a prevailing influence there, it is well worth our while to wait a session or two, for an event which is so much to be wished for by every true friend to the Protestant establishment.

Thus, Sir, I have shewn such a difference in the circumstances of our affairs at home, as ought, I think, to prevail with every gentleman to suspend, at least for one session, his desire of having such a law passed; and with regard to the circumstances of our affairs abroad, there is likewise a difference, which ought to be an additional argument for suspending our deBires in favour of this Bill. The affairs of Europe were last session at such a crisis as demanded the most vigorous resolutions in [VOL. XII. ]

inclination. His majesty's wisdom and goodness, and his regard for the cries of his people, at last prevailed: the obnoxious persons were removed from the administration, and in their stead have been put some gentlemen, from whom we may expect the most wise as well as the most vigorous measures with regard to our foreign affairs. They have already given us testimonies both of their wisdom. and resolution. From their conduct, supported by a perfect harmony between his majesty and his parliament, we may expect a glorious peace, or a vigorous and successful war: and therefore, we ought to be extremely cautious of doing any thing that may interrupt that harmony; because such an interruption can now be attended with no advantage either to this nation or to Europe, but would certainly expose both to a ruin which might otherwise have been prevented.

Now, Sir, let us consider the circumstances in which we stand at present. We have all the reason in the world to believe, that this Bill has been represented to his majesty, by some of those that were lately about him, as an incroachment upon the prerogatives of the crown, and a step towards introducing a republican form of government. We have reason to believe, that by such misrepresentations his majesty has conceived some prejudices against it; and we cannot suppose, that those who have so lately been introduced into his councils, have yet had time to eradicate those prejudices. If this Bill should be offered to him for his assent, whilst he remained under such prejudices, he would look upon it as a most ungrateful return from a parliament to which he had made such a sacrifice: nay, he would look upon it as an attempt upon his crown, and an affront to his person; and in such a case, [3 M]

from his majesty's known courage and high spirit, must we not suppose, that he would reject it with the utmost disdain? This, Sir, would certainly produce a rupture between his majesty and his parliament; and in the present circumstances of Europe, I tremble to think of the consequences of such a rupture. What has hitherto been the support of the queen of Hungary, what has encouraged her subjects to venture their lives and fortunes so bravely, I may say, so desperately, in her defence, has been the hopes that assistance would at last come from afar, even from the remotest corners of the British dominions. But if such a rupture should ensue, what could she or her subjects expect from us? Instead of being able to assist her, we should be involved in endless disputes, perhaps in a tedious and destructive civil war amongst ourselves: thus that brave and heroic queen would at last be obliged to submit to the power of France; and Polyphemus's favour, of our being the last morsel, would be the only one we could expect from that insolent nation.

For these reasons, Sir, though I am as great a friend as ever to the Bill now proposed, though I shall be ready to embrace the first favourable opportunity for having it passed into a law, yet I am against pushing for it at present, especially as I have, I think, good reason to believe, that I shall in a very short time have the pleasure of seeing it readily agreed to by every branch of our legislature.

Mr. Velters Cornewall:

Sir; notwithstanding what has been alleged, I shall take the freedom to speak my opinion of this Bill and of the present measures; and I do assure the House, I have had no share in the scramble for places. My political ambition, according to the old expression, has cost me many a grey groat; it has brought me nothing. A gentleman has said, that if the Lords had expected this return, they had not passed the last Bill. We have nothing to do with the Lords, nor any reason to consult their approbation or dislike. The gentleman too makes a merit of having conducted that Bill in this House, and been the means of its passing. Do not let him take all the merit to himself. I was one of those who had the honour to receive the commands of the House to bring in that Bill, who helped to conduct it, and to procure that benefit to the people of England which they expect from it.

I too, Sir, perhaps, helped to bring him into the great honour and employments he now enjoys. If I had ever solicited a place, that gentleman must have known it, but I have been only one of the rounds of the ladder by which that gentleman climbed; and now his turn is served, like some others, he is for kicking the ladder away.

You, Sir, [turning to Mr. Speaker] have set us extremely right, as you always do every thing extremely well: and I agree we must say, that every gentleman here is a man of strict uniformity and great honour. I beg I may not be thought ironical. Now, Sir, as to instructions from our constituents, suppose my instructions contained a desire that I would be for a Place Bill, suppose I had promised to be for it, and yet exerted my utmost abilities against it. Abroad, Sir, we see many strange things; within these doors, according to your admonition, we must see none. Imagine now, Sir, I had a young gentleman or pupil to advise in the regulation of his conduct, and he should apply to me to know by whose advice to form his opinion of public affairs? I should say to him, Prithee, hast thou no friend nor acquaintance whose advice thou canst rely on, and in whose integrity thou canst confide; apply to thy representatives, surely they will not deceive thee; for if people cannot trust their representatives, whom can they trust.' Parallel to this would be the case of a member for a city, to whom instructions conformable to his constant advice should be delivered, he should receive them, promise to observe them, and not to deceive those who had chosen him for their representative; but shortly after, having altered his own measures, should call his constituents a parcel of fools, and totally disregard what they say to him: when one observes these transactions, what must one say? I should incline to follow the example of the playhouse, and cry out in the phrase of Mr. John Trott, Gentlemen, have a care of your pockets.'

Sir John Barnard :

Sir; from what has been said by some gentlemen in the debate, I foresee, that if our parliaments continue, in time to come, as complaisant to our ministers as they have been in time past, the fate of this question under this administration, will be the same with that which was the fate of the question about reducing our army under the last. The worthy gentleman

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