Mr. LYNN. This man has been with us 8 or 10 years. Mr. O'NEAL. But he has been paid from some other source? Mr. LYNN. During his period of employment, he has been carried on several different rolls. He was employed during the greater part of the construction period. Mr. O'NEAL. He was supported during the construction period from other funds, or he was carried on construction or some other project rolls? Mr. LYNN. Part of the time he was carried on construction rolls. However, when we were carrying a large program of construction work, we had more assistants than this one man. Mr. O'NEAL. From what funds were they paid? Mr. LYNN. They were paid from such rolls as the Supreme Court Building fund; the Library of Congress Annex fund; the fund for the completion of the Senate Office Building. They were paid from different funds provided for the different construction jobs that were going on. Mr. STEFAN. Are these employees under civil service, or are the employees under the Office of the Architect of the Capitol covered by civil service? Mr. LYNN. No, sir; but they are subject to the Classification Act. Mr. STEFAN. But they are not under Civil Service? Mr. LYNN. No, sir. Mr. STEFAN. How are they employed? Do you employ them? Mr. STEFAN. Through applications and selection? Mr. LYNN. Yes, sir; they come through applications, and sometimes when we have a vacancy we have had them transferred from other departments. The other item of increase is $587, to provide for within-grade promotions in accordance with the act of August 1, 1941, Public 200, Seventy-seventh Congress. TRAVEL EXPENSES Mr. O'NEAL. On page 15 of the justifications, you have a limitation of $1,500 for travel expenses. That is covered by language appearing on page 70 of the bill. I notice that since 1936 you have not used anything like the limitation of $1,500. Mr. LYNN. No, sir; that is just a limitation on our appropriations. Mr. O'NEAL. You probably use about $400 a year, I would esti mate. Mr. LYNN. We generally use more. Last year we used only $280; but this year, we have already used nearly $200 to January 30, Mr. O'NEAL. When does the Architect of the Capitol have occasion to travel? Mr. LYNN. Traveling is done by our power plant, elevator, air conditioning, electrical, and other engineers in connection with the purchase, repair, or improvement of equipment; also visits to nurseries in connection with purchase of plant material are made by our horticulturist. CAPITOL BUILDING AND REPAIRS Mr. O'NEAL. The next item is for the Capitol Building and Grounds, appearing at page 71 of the bill. The appropriation for 1942 is $321,891, plus a supplemental appropriation of $27,900, and your estimate for 1943 is $302,521. You may insert in the record at this point the table on page 18 of the justifications. Mr. LYNN. I will do so. (The table referred to is as follows:) Regular Appropriation 1942 Act_ Supplemental Appropriation 1942 Act: Within-grade promotions... Depository, United States Capitol Total appropriations, 1942__. Deduct nonrecurring and other items not required for 1943: $321, 891 2, 900 25,000 349, 791 Replacement of ammeters, substation, Capitol. 1, 125 1 New CU-6, substation operator (omit). Personal services: Increase to provide for within-grade promotions-Public 2, 175 1, 680 3,855 302, 521 1, 680 300, 841 Total increases requested for 1943. Total estimate for 1943_. Deduct: Substation operator-Withdrawn (−). Revised total estimate for 1943.. Mr. O'NEAL. Give us an explanation of this item. Mr. LYNN. The detailed justifications give a full explanation of the items making up this estimate. We had $349,791 for 1942. We dropped out three special items, totaling $51,125 allowed for 1942, leaving $298,666 as the annual base, and to this base we have added increases totaling $3,855, making the total asked for 1943, $302,521, or a net decrease of $47,270. A further decrease of $1,680 covering the item to be withdrawn from the 1943 estimates, makes a revised net decrease of $48,950. Mr. O'NEAL. You are asking $1,680 for an additional substation operator. Mr. LYNN. Yes, sir; but we are going to ask that that item be omitted. Mr. O'NEAL. That item is out? Mr. LYNN. Yes, sir. In view of the present emergency, this request is withdrawn. At the present time, we have a total of 21 substation operators whose services are pooled; also 4 switchboard 69377-42-6 operators at the Capitol Power Plant, a total of 25 operators. To properly meet the man-hour requirements, there should be 22 substation operators and 5 switchboard operators, a total of 27 operators. The additional operator at the power plant is indispensable and request for additional funds for another such operator are included under the Capitol Power Plant estimates and explained under the power-plant justifications. However, although there is still need for another substation operator, some measure of relief will be provided through the granting of an additional operator under the Capitol Power Plant estimate. The request for the additional $1,680 operator under the Capitol building and repairs estimate is therefore deferred with the request that the committee will give futher consideration to this item if after another year's operation the service. demands force its resubmission. Mr. O'NEAL. Can we reduce the amount you are asking for in that estimate? Mr. LYNN. Yes, sir; to $300,841. That is in view of the fact that the $1,680 personnel item requested there is withdrawn. Mr. O'NEAL. You have an item of within-grade promotions set up there. Mr. LYNN. Yes, sir; that amounts to $2,175. Mr. LEAVY. Mr. Lynn, referring to page 19 of your justifications for the Capitol Building and repairs, you give a break-down that would indicate that on December 31, 1941, you had unexpended balances in some of these items, and I think that there should be some explanation given of them. For instance, in the item of repairs and alterations, painting, and so forth, at the end of the calendar year you had a balance of $2,659 from an appropriation of $17,500. Mr. HENLOCK. As of December 31, there was an unexpended balance of $14,841. That table shows expenditures for the first 6 months of this fiscal year not unexpended balances. Mr. LEAVY. Why do you need $17,500 in addition to what you have? Mr. LYNN. We anticipate that a part of this $14,000 will be returned to the Treasury at the end of this fiscal year. We are, however, asking for the same amount of $17,500 for the next fiscal year, in the hopes that our regular annual program may be continued-which has had to be deferred for 1941 and 1942 due to the continuous session of Congress. Mr. LEAVY. You are not carrying over any unexpended balance? Mr. LYNN. No, sir. Mr. LEAVY. In the item of plumbing renewals, at the end of the year you had not spent any of that money? Mr. LYNN. For the full fiscal year 1941, $150 was expended. For 6 months of the present fiscal year, 1942, there has been no expenditure. Mr. LEAVY. Do you anticipate spending any of that between now and the end of the fiscal year? Mr. LYNN. It is anticipated that about $3,000 will be spent before the end of this fiscal year; the balance to be returned to the Treasury. Mr. LEAVY. And you want an appropriation now in that sum? Mr. LYNN. Yes, sir; $10,000 for next year. If Congress recesses long enough we will need that amount in carrying out our program. Mr. LEAVY. Could not these sums be reduced substantially, and then if the necessity should arise during the course of the year, could you not take care of it by way of a supplemental or deficiency appropriation? Mr. LYNN. I have always been of the opinion that Congress did not care for deficiencies if they could be avoided. Mr. LEAVY. What I am trying to do is to see if we can avoid appropriating money that may not be used. Mr. LYNN. Of course, next year, if Congress recesses for 3 or 4 months, we can do all of this work. Mr. LEAVY. The work will cost you a great deal more now, and repair materials will be much more difficult to get, and they will cost much more. I believe it would be better to postpone everything that we can possibly postpone during the emergency period. Mr. LYNN. We have deferred a number of our items. As I stated to the committee before, we have postponed all of our larger projects. Mr. O'NEAL. Referring to the matter on page 19 of the justifications, as I understand it, you will probably return a substantial amount of those balances to the Treasury at the end of the fiscal year 1942, as was suggested by Judge Leavy? Mr. LYNN. Yes, sir. Mr. O'NEAL. The work under the painting item and probably under the other items for repairs, you will not be able to do because of the continued session of Congress, but if Congress should adjourn suddenly, you could do the work immediately. Then you probably would not have an opportunity to ask for a deficiency, and, therefore, you want a comparatively small amount of this money available so you could do the work hurriedly if it were so you could do it? Mr. LYNN. I have in view that in case Congress adjourned for only a month or 6 weeks, we could put a sufficient number of employees on to do the work necessary to be done. Mr. O'NEAL. Will you insert in the record a statement of what you expect your unexpended balances will be under these items? Mr. LYNN. I will do so. Mr. O'NEAL. It is a question largely of whether you would have an opportunity to come up in time and ask for a deficiency. If the amount is reduced you would have to come for a deficiency? Mr. LYNN. That is the thought I had in mind. Mr. O'NEAL. I suggest that you add another column to this statement on page 19, showing what you expect will be turned back into the Treasury in the way of unexpended balances. Mr. LYNN. I will do that. (The statement referred to is as follows:) Capitol building and repairs, 1943 $302, 521 Mr. STEFAN. When was the Capitol painted last? Mr. LYNN. It is painted every 4 years. Mr. STEFAN. When was it painted last? Mr. LYNN. The exterior? Mr. STEFAN. Yes; the exterior. Mr. LYNN. 1940 was the last time. Mr. STEFAN. It is due to be painted in 1944? Mr. LYNN. Yes, sir. Mr. STEFAN. What was the cost of that painting in 1940? It was about $30,000, was it not? Mr. LYNN. It was $30,906. Mr. STEFAN. What color was it painted? Mr. LYNN. It is painted a special color. Mr. STEFAN. Do you try to match the Virginia sandstone? Mr. STEFAN. Or the Senate and House wings? Mr. LYNN. Inasmuch as the old or central portion of the Capitol is constructed of Acquia Creek sandstone, and the dome of cast iron, it is necessary to paint this portion of the building to protect it against deterioration, and the Senate and House wings being of American marble, the color of the paint used for the central portion is so selected as to harmonize with the wings. Mr. STEFAN. Have you matched it very well? Mr. STEFAN. Do you have any paint on hand? Mr. LYNN. We have some paint on hand, but not a great amount. |