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office in which such a matter had had come down to the house, pre: occurred, without the benefit of a pared with some extracts from the report from the committee who had minutes of the committee, for the investigated the subject, to enable information of the honourable genthem to shape the bill for the better tleman, understanding that his bill prevention of similar occurrences was to proceed that day. He in future,
thought, however, that it would Mr. Bankes said, that in respect be expedient to postpone the further to the accounts of Mr. Villiers and proceeding on the bill for some his office, the subject had been for days, as it was not unlikely that a considerable time under the con- the committee might ultimately feel sideration of the finance committee, it their duty to recommend the who, he trusted, would ere long abolition of the office of paymaster be enabled to make some specific of marines altogether, as unnecesę report upon that subject; and as to sary, because he was only an interthe manner in which this defalca, mediate person between the treation had occurred, the committee surer of the navy, who acted as its had traced it, like many others, to banker, and the deputy paymaster the very defective manner in which of marines, who issued the pay, accounts were passed by those whose Although the saving upon the induty it was to audit' them; and dividual office would not be very more especially in the navy depart. considerable, yet, as part of a syment. The subject was found ex- stem of employments which aptremely complex: and the com- peared unnecessary, it seemed to mittee therefore chose rather to the committee, in their present forgo the commendation of an ex. view of the subject, that it ought peditious report, in order to a more to be abolished. For the reasons deliberate and correct investiga- he had already stated in the mode tion; and although no exertion of passing accounts, without adwas omitted on their parts to ex- verting to the receipts in the hands pedite the business, still he could of public officers, as well as their not flatter the house with hopes of disbursements, the state of balances a full report upon this subject very was of course falsely stated; and specdily. The leading cause of to rectify this was a principal ob. this and a similar detalcation not ject. The deficit in the account of having been sooner found out and Mr. Villiers reached its amount so checked, was, that those whose long since as 1804. But there were duty it was to pass the accounts, many documents since then necescontented themselves merely with sary to the information of the com. comparing vouchers with the sums miitee, which they had not as yet charged as expenditure, without been able to obtain, and without looking at all to the receipts in the which they could not come to any hands of the officer, and the in- accurate conclusion, Such, how. terest thereon. The committee, he ever, had been the mode of passsaid, would be ready to afford the ing accounts, strange as it might house every information which seem; and such was the cause of reached their knowledge, to aid its the deficits so long undiscovered. proceedings upon any point where The chancellor of the exchequer such information should become had no objection to postpone the necessary; and for this purpose lie committee on the bill, or any dis,
cussion that might be necessary, to be found generally to be a saving a more distant day; but he hoped: of 123,0001. and under the head of there would be no objection now to new works, would be found a furthe second reading. 'He was sure ther saving of 17,0001. He felt it it must be satisfactory to all parts unnecessary to trouble the house of the house to see a termination with any further detail, but would to such practices in public depart- be ready to give gentlemen every ments, than which nothing could satisfactory explanation that it was be more disgusting or more dis- within his power to give on any graceful. The bill was finally points upon which it might be passed.
deemed necessary. The honour March 14. Mr. Ashley Cooper, able gentleman then concluded with without any prefatory observations, moving, That it is the opinion of stated to the committee (the house the committee, that a sum not exhaving gone into the committee of ceeding 3,819,466. be granted to supply), that the total saving on his majesty towards defraying the the ordnance estimates for this year ordnance estimates for the current amounted to 1,238,000l. ;-—under year. the head of ordinaries, there would Mr. Calcraft said, he was not surbe found to be an excess for this prised that the honourable gentleyear, amounting to 7,000h.; but, man had been so brief upon the under the head of extraordinaries, subject : but he (Mr. Calcraft) there would be found to be a dimi- must request the patience of the nution of charge, amounting to house, while he deviated from the 1,140,000l.; and, under the head example which had been given, of unprovided, there would appear and went a little more into detail. a diminution of 352,2091.:--so that He found, in looking over the pathe total saving under these two pers which he held in his hand, a heads of extraordinaries and unpro- reduction of 100,0001. from the last vided, was a diminution of expense year's expense, and so far as such a amounting to 1,492,2091.;-and the reduction could be proved to be Lotal sum he meant now to call real, he was willing to allow the upon the committee to vote for the honourable gentleman due praise. ordnance services of the current This reduction had been in salt. year, for the united kingdom, petre, and those charges which amounted to 3,819,4661. The sav. were termed unprovided, a phrase ing under the head of extraordi, equivalent to extraordinaries in the naries arose from various causes. common accounts of the army ; but There was a deduction from the when he looked into those parts of annual charge of the foreigit ser- the statement where extravagance vice, of no less a sum than 200,0001. was most unjustiñable and unserThere was also a saving in works viceable, he found the old spirit still and repairs of 260,0001. There alive, and as vigororis as ever: he was a further saving of 60,0001. by found charged in 1809, 4,586). for the reduction of draught horses; a house for the secretary in Palland by the diminution of the num- mall; he next found for building, ber of depôts, there was an ad. for a similar purpose, $,4061. which, ditional saving of 100,0001. With with a nondescript charge which respect to the estimates for the he could not distinctly trace at that ordnance in Ireland, there would time, amounted to 11,000l. The
expenditure in the ordance office 150,000/. . So much for the Head
was a sum undeniably too large for
with a few horses, and ham. Officers were known to make some sheds for carriages; yet the almost a property of the horses expense of the work had been provided for the service; and, while
they had them in actual employ the country.” (Hear! hear!) Va. drawing their coaches and curri. rious charges were included under cles, refused to pay the tax de- this head, which had been made manded by the commissioners,—on before under the head of depôts, the plea that they were the king's fortifications, &c. &c. For four horses. The commissioners, howo years indeed, commencing at 1807, ever, resisted the plea, and would 4,193,0001, had been voted for allow no more than a single horse, buildings, repairs, &c. (“AmmuniOn a late inquiry, it was found that tion included,” from the ministerial an officer had in his service no less bench.) No, said Mr. Wardle, for than eight or ten soldiers, as the buildings and depôts ; next year, regular attendants of his house, it would be no doubt in the same cooks, butlers, &c. and four horses, proportion. As to the minuteHe adduced many other abuses of ness of the estimates, it signified the same kind accusing the go- very little whether they were mivernment of most culpable extra. nute or not, as any mistake might vagance.
easily be obviated, so long as the Mr. Wardle rose, not for the head of " unprovided for" was alpurpose of canvassing each indivi, lowed to continue. He hoped dual estimate, but of remarking on these were the last estimates in the entire mass as it stood before which such a head would be al. him. He confessed he had some lowed to be brought before the hope that a retrenchment would house ; and he hoped also, that an have taken place, from the declara, account of the expenditure of every tion of an honourable member op- sum voted at the estimates would posite, last session, that there would hereafter be produced. He was be a saying this year of a million sure there could be no difficulty in and a half. He went through a va, the computation, as it would be riety of particulars in proof of the much easier to give an account of great extravagance allowed in the how the money had been expended, ordnance office, calling for explana, than to make out an abstruse estitions. At Waltham Abbey, he mate in the beginning. said, the sum of 104,0531. was es Mr. A. Cooper said, that the timated for powder-mills for four house were not to linderstand by years. Now he could by no means the term “unprovided for,” that see the necessity of any such ex, there was to be no account given. pense. The French and Germans, When the honourable gentleman it was well known, used barns or complained of the expense of the any other temporary building for powder-mills at Waltham Abbey, the manufacture of powder, and he should have recollected the peevery body knew what an effectual riod of the American war, when use was made of it. He admitted, government powder was proverbi. indeed, that he had heard the fo- ally bad. Bad as it was, we were reign powder was not so good as then entirely dependent for a supours. (Hear! bear!) In those es. ply upon the merchants. Even at timates it was the custom to vote the time of lord Nelson's celebrated large sums under the head of dif- victory, the stock of gunpowder ferent buildings; and yet a sweep was so small, that the ordnance ing charge was made for these af- could have hardly issued enough terwards, as for the “ defence of for another battle of the same sort,
and were absolutely obliged for a barns. Under the general head of time to suspend their issues, in the “the defence of the country," was expectation of a scarcity. This included the expense of building was a fact, which it would have batteries and Marrello towers been dangerous to the public ser- along the coast. And as to the vice to have been siated at that sum voted for building and repairtime ; but the evil was now, in a ing depôts, it had lately been judggreat measure, corrected. The ho.
ed necessary to have a large quan. nourable gentleman had spoken of tity of artillery and animunition in the practice of the French to make depót, to guard against invasion or the powder in barns. If he would unforeseen contingency. take the trouble to examine the Several other gentlemen spoke works at Waltham-Abbey, he would for and against the motion, which find that we also use, for that pur- was afterwards carried without a pose, many buildings that resemble division.
Debate in the House of Commons on Mr. Whitbread's Resolutions to criminate
the Earl of Chatham.--Lord King's Motin, in the House of Lords, respecting Foreign Troops in British Py.--Mr. Sberidan's Motion, in the House of Commons, respecting a By-law pussed by the Benchers of Lim pln's Inn.
ARCH 2. Mr. Whitbread, engaged, which it had reason to
in pursuance of previous no- believe were in the possession of the tice, rose, and spoke to the follow- crown, and most particularly if they ing cffect :
“ Mr. speaker, but sc. had been communicated in a way ven days have elapsed since I felt most likely to excite its constituit to be my duty to submit to the tional vigilance and jealousy. I consideration of this house a cer- had the proud satisfaction to find, tain proposition, founded upon a that upon that occasion my efforts strong and justifiable suspicion, that were successful. For to the immora conduct most unconstitutional tal honour of this house let it be and improper had been pursued by spoken, that to the address which it a noble lord, at this moment a then agreed to have conveyed to member of the king's cabinet, and the crown, an answer has been the late commander-in-chief of the since returned, fully justifying the expedition to the Scheldt. I then course it then found it necessary to contended, that it was not alone the adopt, and too strongly illustrating right, but that it became the in. the suspicion it then entertained. cumbent duty, of this house to call I say that my efforts wer- successfor all documents and papers touch. ful in the fullest extent of the exing the inquiry in which it was pression ; for most sincerely do I