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charges against the navy; for the dress be presented to his majesty,
He (Mr. tive. In justice then to the gallant Ryder) said, that ihere never was officer, sir Richard Strachan--in in any office any paper or narrative justice to the officers serving under of this kind, and that no communi. him, and to the navy in general, he cation of any such had been made called upon the house to address to the ministers. He wished to be his majesty for the production of heard, and again stated that no these papers.
Let the ministers such paper existed at any office, and find them wherever they were
that no communication had been that was their business, and not made to them of the narrative on that of the house. They would the table till the fourteench of this not, he hoped, be permitted to cast month. He believed, that, as far upon the king the imputation of re- as precedent went, addresses had fusing papers, the production of been for the production of official which was essential to enable the papers, or to ascertain who had gallant officers concerned to meet been the adviser of any particular the accusations brought against act. But still he admitted, that them, as well as necessary to satis- the l:ouse had the right of calling fy the public mind. The king for these papers. He could not, could do no wrong—the ministers however, conceive what return were responsible. The task of could be made to this address, supfinding the papers rested with pooing it should be agreed to. them; he was sure it was the pro. Could they search the private esper task and duty of the house to crutoire of the king fr- these paagree to the address which he pers? He knew not that such a would now move. He concluded thing had been ever done. While by moving, s That an humble ad. he admitted the right of the bouse
to call for the papers, yet he put table !! Was it to be supposed that the matter as a question of dis- his majesty would refuse to comcretion, as to the exercise of the municate to his servants whatever right; and upon the ground of information he possessed on this discretion he would oppose the mo subject? This was a most abomition.
nable doctrine ; for here the soveMr. Ponsonby remarked, that if reign's character was traduced, in he had only heard the right ho- order to screen his ministers, and to Bourable secretary's speech, with- save them from the necessity of out hearing that sentence where producing these papers.
The he said he would oppose the mo- sovereign would never allow the tion, he should have thought that character of a brave officer to be he meant to support it, for all his assailed, withoutaffording him every argument was in favour of the ad
means of defending himself. dress. The right honourable gen- The chancellor of the exchequer tleman had admitted the right of opposed the motion : he denied that the house to call for these papers, the narrative was a paper at all of but said that he did not know how a similar description to that which to get at them without searching the right honourable gentleman ophis majesty's private escrutoire. posite now supposed to exist. When Was this doctrine to be endured ? the honourable general (Loftus). Was it to be endured from a Brio who moved for che production of tish secretary of state to a British that narrative, communicated to house of commons ? Was he to be him his intention of making such a permitted for a moment to maine motion, he (Mr. Perceral) was ap. tain, as a legitimate objection, that prised of the existence of that do. he did not know where to look for cument; he knew it was an official a public paper, without searching paper, and in official custody; and the private escrutoire of his sove- therefore it was that he had no ob. reign? Did he imagine that these jection in assenting to its produccommunications were to be con- tion. If compared with the paper sidered as private and confiden- now supposed, the two cases were tial ? If he did, he must maintain directly the reverse.
The first was that a privy counsellor had the one which, when called for by the right to make private and confiden- vote of that house, he knew to be in tial communications to his sove. existence, in one of the offices of reign, upon a subject of great pub. his majesty's confidential servants ; lic importance, without any con- the other paper now sought, has sultation with his colleagues. If been absolutely denied to have any this doctrine was to be maintained existence in any of the departments and acted upon, then there was an
of the state.
Under such circum-, end of all responsibility. The right stances, it was impossible that honourable gentleman said, he did ministers could give any answer to rot know where 10 find the papers the address of that house, without but where did he find the nar:d- a personal application to the crown. tive? It appeared the ministers And it was a question for the house heard, for the first time, of this to consider, would it vote for an narrative at the levee, at which it address to the crown to produce a was preseçted-and yet they found paper, merely for the purpose of this paper, and it was now on the ascertaining whether such a paper
was in existence or not? a paper, if public expectation was warranted in existence, of whose contents and to indulge. Au inquiry was instiquality those who called for it tuted by the house of commons ; knew nothing, and of which he nu:nerous papers were moved for, must say, that, whatever were its and others voluntarily laid upon its contents and quality, it could never table. For fourteen days had the be considered as an official docu- house proceeded in its investigation, ment, for the reception of which when we are surprised by a motion there needed any advice, it being of an honourable general, (Lofmerely a communication upon cer- tus,) the friend of lord Chatham, tain facts. It waskıpon such grounds calling for an address to his majesthat he felt himself disposed to op- ty, that he would be pleased to orpose the motion for an address. der a narrative of that noble lord,
Sir Home Popham.--"I feel, sir, delivered but the day before, to that unless the proposed address is be laid before that house. Would supported by the decision of this it not, I ask, be at least more house, and that the papers alluded liberal, when the noble lord had to are produced for its' considera- determined upon such a course of tion and that of the country, much proceeding, to have, at all events, wrong will accrue where gratitude presented it previous to the inquiry? is owed, -I mean to sir Richard is that the extreniity of suffering Strachan. I may be askeư, why to which my gallant friend, the nait is I assume that such a paper is val commander of the late expediin existence? My answer is, that its tion, is subjected ? Have we not existence has not been denied, and reason to think that other docutherefore my assumption is correct. ments, prejudicial to his high chaLet any one of his majesty's confi- racter, have also been presented in dential advisers deny that such a the same secret way? But we are paper has been delivered by the no. told this is an assumption not tenable lord, and the moment I am so ble upon good grounds. To this I informed I shall cease to press the unequivocally reply, If no other p.2necessity of this address. But in pers were presented to his sovereign the absence of that information, I by the noble lord, when the quescall upon this house to sympathize tion was candidly put to him, how in the feelings of my gallant friend, easy was it for him, if no such doWounded as those feelings have been cuments were delivered, to have by the production of the former answered in the negative ! The paper. If then from that paper, right honourable gentleman the so lately presented to the house, the chancellor of the excheqner has character of sir Richard Strachan stated, that he can by no means see has suffered, how much more pro- in the narrative of the noble lord bable it is, that in the papers kept any reflection cast upon the chaout of view, he has been subjected racter of sir Richard Strachan, or to greater suffering, and to a more on that part of the naval force emaggravated reflection upon his cha- ployed in the expedition to the racter! Let the house review the Scheldt. I venture to say, that such facts. In the month of July an paper
has thrown upon both a great expedition was sent to the coast of and grievous reflection. So feels Holland. From some causes it did the gallant and distinguished officer not succeed to the extent in which himself; and after what has been 1810.
elicited from the examination of majesty to the address of the House, the noble lord (Chatham) last voted on Friday last, for copies of night, sir Richard Strachan also all the narratives, memoranda, &c. feels the aggravated situation in delivered into his majesty's hands which he is placed ; for, as he himself by the earl of Chatham, relative to says, “How do I know, even if I the expedition to the Scheldt, which repel all the charges conveyed 'was as follows: against me in this narrative, that “ His majesty has been waited after all, a second and third docu- upon with the address of this house, ment, similarly communicated, in of Friday last, the 25d of this fact edition following edition, will month, to which he has been granot be forthcoming ? Is this a pro- ciously pleased to direct the folper state in which to leave a man lowing ansu er to be given : who has deserved so well of his “ 'The earl of Chatham having country? Is this the reward which requested his majesty io permic this house would bestow, for a life him to present his report to his devoted to the nation's service! majesty, and having also requested Deeply affected as are the feelings that his n.ajesty would not comof my gallant friend, he suffers not municate it for the present, his alone : there is not an officer of his majesty received it on the 15th of profession but sympatnizes with January last, and kept it till the him. Through all ranks of that oth of this month ; wlen, in conprofession it is the same, equally sequence of a wish having been exwith those who have not interest to pressed by the earl of Clatham, on be employed, as with those whom the 7th of this month, to make other causes have lately kept out of some alterations in it, his majesty the actual exercise of professional returned it to the earl of Chatham. duties. This question, standing The report, as altered, was again upon its own merits, · cannot be' tendered to his majesty by the earl benefited, and ought not to be in- of Chatham on the 14th of this jured, by party feeling. It is a month, when his majesty directed question of justice of justice to a it to be delivered to his secretary gallant officer, the idol of the ser- of state, and his majesty has not vice, covered with the honours be. kept any copy or minute of this stowed by a grateful country, re- report, as delivered at either of these munerated by the liberality of par- times, nor has he had, at any time, liament, and invested by his sove any other report, memorandum, reign with a red ribbon, as a mark narrative, or paper, submitted to of his royal favour, It is for such him by the carl of Chatham rea man, now labouring under such lating to the late expedition to the charges as this narrative so com- Scheldi.” municated conveys, that I appeal
Mr. Grattan rose to to the house of commons.”
present a petition from divers Ro. A long and animated debate en- man catholics in Irelan l, praying sued; after which Mr. Whitbread for constitutional privileges. Upon replied, and his motion was carried some future day he would take by a majority of seven.
occasion to call the solemn deliOn the 26th the chancellor of the beration of the house, to sit in exchequer appeared at the bar, and judgement upon the great question read from thence the answer of his of giving all the defenders of the
empire the same dear interests in During one of the examinations its security, of consolidating our of lori Chatham before the com. means as a people, by making us mittee of the house, to which we an united peop-, cementing our have lately referred, strenge by a mire universal dif- Mr. Fuller (member for Sussex) fusion of the privilegios that made put several questions, which were us strong, ar! emrin the de- not attended to, either by his lordfence of our rights bv e tending ship or the house. When his lord. their participation. On that day ship withdrew, Mr. Fuller rose and he should rest his arguments up- said, that his questions had as much on two great claims which he right to be attended to, as those of would put in on the part of the the chanceHor of the exchequer. constiution :- First, no religious “Godd-n me, sir," said he, “ I disability :-Next, no foreign no- have as much right to be heard as mination. Upon the
any man who is paid for filling the ground of those two principles he place he holds.” wonld take his stand; for the pre
The chancellor of the exchequer sent he should say no more. He moved, “That the words of the deprecated in the present stage any honourable member should be taken conversation that could not em- down ;" which was agreed to. brace the question fully, and that The hue resumed, and sir John might go too far upon detached Anstruther, the chairman, reported points; and upon the future dis- the expressions of Mr. Fuller. cussion he trusted that there would The speaker then informed the not be betrayed, upon either, the house, that it had come to his one side or the other, any heat or knowledge that a member had used violence. This was a question upon unparliamentary language, which which transient effusions of un- was a breach of the privileges of governed warmth might inflict per- that honourable house. He felt manent wounds. Passion and pre. sorry that it would become his duty judice should keep equally aloof to name him. from its discussion. The soothing Mr. Fuller.-“ You need not be progress of time had imperceptibly diffident-It's I, Jack Fuller." done much to heal, and change, and The speaker ordered the honour. reconcile--reciprocal good-will had able member to withdraw ; but he been gaining upon reciprocal recri- declined, until several of his friends mination. The question was a sort interfered. of protracted marriage. Both par- The chancellor of the exchequer ties were growing wearied of as- moved, “ That he should be taken perity—they were learning to bear into the custody of the serjeant-atwich one another's failings, to take arms ;' which was agreed to, with. the worse for the sake of the better, out a dissenting voice. and would soon have a common Mr. Fuller, who was in the loba sympathy in their sufferings and by, on the vote of the house being enjoyments. The right honoura. communicated to him rushed into ble gentleman then concluded with the body of the house, and, in a moving, that the petition do lie on loud voice, said, the speaker had the table; which, after a conver. not the power or anthority to order sation between several members, him into custody ; he was only the was agreed to.
servant of the members, and, by.