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" there baptized, thinking, that it is the church of Christ, CHAP. “in comparison of them, he sinneth less, if they are “ wounded in the sacrilege of schism. Aug. de Baptis. libro, Anno 1580.

cap. 5. The same is to be thought of the other sacraments as of baptism.

“ But in case of extreme necessity, where a catholic shall “not be found, by whom he may receive it, and keep ca“tholic peace in his mind, if presently he depart out of this “ life, we do not think him catholic. If he recover, let him “ return to the catholic church, &c. Aug. ibid. cap. 2.

“ IV. Item, Whether I may be godfather to any that is "christened after the manner now used. And if it be not “ lawful in mine own person to do it, whether I may send “ my deputy or no.

Answer, To bring children, and to offer them to be “ baptized by heretics or schismatics without the church, is agree

to schism. He that doth it by another seems to “ do it by himself.

“ V. Whether I may see service, such as is not allowed “ by the catholic church, with a priest in schism or no.

Answer, With heretics and schismatics we must neither pray nor sing. He that communicates and prays with an “excommunicate person, whether clerk or laic, let him be “excommunicated. Counc. Carth. cap. iv. 72, 73.

“ VI. Whether I may not be present at any schismatical “service: so that I neither communicate with them in prayer nor in sacraments. Answer, It is one thing to be present at the schismati

prayers, only to observe their manners, which many “ catholics have done: another, to pretend in countenance "and gesture to pray with them, although it be not done “in mind; for to do that is by the bystanders interpreted

consent. For we communicate not with the sins of others, “ but by consenting and favouring.

“ VII. Whether any benefice that shall be vacant, being “in my gift, it shall be lawful to present one to the sup“posed bishop, or no.

Answer, The patron of a church is, as it were, the pa

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“ tuted, a shepherd, not a wolf, as far as he can understand. “ Otherwise he shall be the author of a scandal; to wit, “ such by whom scandal cometh. Yet he may yield to an

“ other the right of patronage before the church be vacant 639“ for that turn; saving to himself the right for the time

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“ VIII. “ Whether it be lawful to say divine service or “ to celebrate, where the communion or other their schis“ matical service hath been frequented.

Answer, I think places being heretofore consecrated, “ and now polluted with the conventicle of heretics, are to “ be reconciled by catholic bishops. But although it be not

yet done, if the constitution of the church is not despised “ concerning this thing, I think a catholic man may lawfully in any place lift up pure bands to God.

“IX. Whether my chaplain may be permitted, for con“ ference sake, and better instruction of the catholics, to “ read such books as are prohibited by the late council of “ Trent; and especially such books as are set forth by the “ new superintendents.

Answer, It seems to be a constitution of the council of “ Trent; of not reading the books of heretics. Whether “ the ordinary of the place can dispense with men learned, “ constant, and not easily yielding to seducers; that they may

have and read them, to stir up the people, and to move them concerning their errors: the tenor of the con56 stitution is to be kept.”

Certain other questions to be resolved. “ I. Whether any man reconciled may have his child “ christened of any being in schism, unreconciled. That is, “ whether both the priest, godfathers, and godmothers ought to be within the unity of Christ's church.

Answer, To the first, all the parties, as well the priest “as godfathers and godmothers, ought to be in the unity “ of the catholic church. And the parents being in that “ state, ought not to procure any other to be present; but

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“to avoid, if they can, that none being out of that state CHAP. “shall be present at the ministration of the sacrament. And “yet, if others be present, being no parties to the ministra- Anno 1580. “ tion, it forceth not.

“ II. If it be not lawful to have any but such as be re“conciled, then the child being first christened after the order “ of the catholic church, whether afterwards I may have in

open show, within mine own house, some things read in English: as a gospel and certain prayers; and also other godfathers to bear the name, which be in schism. “ Answer to the second, It is not lawful: for it is not good in any such thing to dissemble with God, by some “convenient sort to excuse the manner that you would


“III. Whether any priests reconciled may read such things in English, and not hereby fall into schism.

Answer, It is not lawful for any such priest as is named “ in the said article to do any such thing.

“ IV. If any child being christened in schism, whether 640 “exorcism, cream, and oil, and other things wanting, ought “to be added. “ Answer, It is not necessary for such things to be done. “V. Whether there may be any more godfathers and godmothers than two; that is, one godfather and one “ godmother at the most, according to the decree of the “ late general council of Trent.

" Answer, The old accustomed order may yet be used, " or the other followed, as it shall please you. Because the “ decree is not yet here promulgated. And also the cause " of that decree is only to avoid the increase of spiritual “ kindred among such persons as are marriageable.

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Divers popish emissaries taken up. The conference at Wis

bich. Feckenham's confession. Dr. Fulk sent by the bishop of Ely thither. Account of the conference published. Fulk's challenge. The pope's factors abroad discovered by A. M. Design in Rome of invading England. Some of the principles taught in the English college at Rome. Campion confesses where he was entertained in London, and elsewhere, viz. in Yorkshire and Lancashire. Several disputations with him in the Tower, in answer to his challenge. Some account of Campion, and his course of life. Parry at Paris : corresponds with the lord treasurer: intercedes for certain popish fugitives: the Ropers: sir Anthony (alias lord) Coppely. Advice for

defence in case of invasion. Campion CAMPION,

one of the chief of these emissaries of Rome, priests

with others of them, were now discovered, and taken up; Camtaken and pion put into the Tower, and many of them sent to Wisbich

castle, where Watson and Feckenham now were. It pleased the lords, and others of her majesty's privy-council, after those recusants were committed there, to direct their letters to the bishop of Ely (in whose diocese the castle was wherein those prisoners were kept) to provide that they might have conference, (if they would admit any,) and be called upon to

come to church, and to hear the preaching there. The bishop Whereupon the bishop made choice of Dr. Fulk, a learned men to ed professor of divinity in Cambridge, with some others, confer with whom he purposed to send unto them. And him he desired

(as Dr. Fulk tells us himself) by his chancellor, Mr. D. Bridgwater, to repair unto him in the Isle of Ely. From

whence he sent him with a gentleman of his house, to signify Brief confu- to them that had the charge of those prisoners, the cause of sundry ca

his coming. Whereupon ensued a certain speech made by

him, in the presence of certain honest men, specially called, quarrels. p. 16. and required to be witnesses; besides a number of good

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by three or four that came with him. Of which one was a CHAP. learned preacher, and collected what was spoken, to certify the bishop, as near as could be, what communication had Anno 1580. passed between them; without any further purpose of publishing the same. But the copy thereof coming into the hand Dr. Fulk's of a friend of Fulke's at London, and by him communicated conference : to some other of his friends, at last it came into the printer's published. hands; who suddenly set it abroad, without the knowledge upon what of Fulke or his friend. Means was made to have the printer punished. And had not Campion's proud challenge come even in the nick, that reverend and learned man could not have been persuaded by his friends to have suffered that party to go so clear as he did.

Thus he thought fit to vindicate himself from a certain Vindicates popish book, being an epistle of the Persecution in Eng-therein land; done, as it was thought, by Parsons. Wherein this against a matter is related so, as though he, for a little vainglory, pub- der.

popish slanlished this account. “ The vainglory,” as that author wrote, " of contending cum magnatibus," i. e. with those noblemen, as he called Watson the bishop, and Feckenham the abbot; so long since by lawful authority deprived of such dignities. The author of that epistle relateth this conference with them thus: “ That he crept secretly into the castle un“ looked for, and without any authority: and that he came " to offer them conference by no public authority. And “ that he commanded them to be brought into his presence.” But, as Fulke answered, “ Did he command them by his “private authority ? Or were they who had them in custody so simple, that they would obey an unknown person, a mean man, of small or no account, coming without authority? In truth, he gave no commandment for their ap

pearance before him: only the bishop's will was declared " by his gentleman, his servant, unto their keeper.” But to go on with the truth of the relation. All reasonable condition of books, time, and order for the conference was offered them. But something stayed them ; whether the disdain of Fulke's person, or more the fear of the weakness of their cause, that they would not adventure their credit in

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