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PROCEEDINGS IN PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS, June 2. and other taxes in Great Britain and Ire. In a Conmittee of Supply, Sir G. War- land, which yielded a revenue of upwards render moved the sum of 2,483,0131. 125.7d. of 18,000,0001. per annum, have expired, for the ordinary establishment of the Navy. or been repealed or reduced.

Mr. Calcraft reprobated the reduction “ That by an Act passed in the 56th of the Navy, whilst a Land Force of Geo. III. c. 98, the revenues of Great 100,000 men was kept up. He also blamed Britain and Ireland were consolidated from the economy recommended by the Finance the 5th of January, 1817; and that in the Committee with regard to the Naval Asy year preceding the said consolidation, the lum, whilst no reduction was recommend net separate revenue of Ireland was ed as to the Military Colleges and Asy. 4,561,353l.,and the charge of the funded and Jums.

unfunded debt of Ireland was 6,446,8251., Sir M. W. Ridley made some observa. including therein the sum of 2,434, 1241. tions in a similar strain, and objected to as the sinking fund applicable to the the retaining of the two Lay Lords, and

reduction of the debt, which charge exmore than one Secretary, of the Admiralty. ceeded the whole net revenue of Ireland He moved an amendment, making a re by the sum of 1,885,4721., without affordduction of 200,0001, on the estimate. ing any provision for the civil list and

After some observations from Sir G. other permanent charges, or for the proWarrender, Lord Compton, Mr. F. Douglas, portion of supplies to be defrayed by that and Sir G. Cockburn, the amendment was part of the united kingdom ; and that no negatived by 164 to 97, and the original provision has been made by Parliament resolution was carried.

to supply this deficiency. The remaining sums for the Navy, and “That the supplies to be voted for the those for the Ordnance, were then voted, present year by Parliament may be estiafter some conversation on several of the mated at 20,500,0001. items.

“ That the existing revenue applicable The Chancellor of the Exchequer moved to the supplies cannot be estimated at for a grant of 8,595,6001. in Exchequer more than 7,000,0001. leaving the sum of bills, to pay off an equal sum charged on 13,500,0001. to be raised by loan, or other last year's supplies, and now unprovided for. extraordinary resource. Mr. Grenfell repeated his argument in

“ That the sinking fund applicable to 'favour of applying the Sinking Fund to the the national debt in the present year may supplies of the year, and contended, that be estimated at about 15,500,000., ex. had this course been followed with regard ceeding the above sum necessary to be to the loans of 1813, 14, and 15, the saving raised for the service of the year by about to the publick would have been about 2,000,0001. only. 6,000,0001.

“ That to provide for the exigencies of Mr. C. Grant obtained leave to bring in

the public service, to make such progresa Bill to ensure an easier and better ad. sive reduction of the national debt as may ministration of justice in the Court of adequately support public credit, and to Chancery in Ireland ; and another for a afford to the country a prospect of future similar purpose, with regard to the Irish relief from a part of its present burdens, it Court of Exchequer.

is absolutely necessary that there should Lord Althorp moved the second reading be a clear surplus of the income of the of the Insolvent Debtors' Bill.

country, beyond the expenditure of not Mr. Alderman Waithman said, the pre

less than 5,000,0001. ; and that with a sent subject was one of the utmost im

view to the attainment of this important portance. In the course of four years, object, it is expedient now to increase the persons had been discharged whose debts income of the country by the imposition of had amounted to teu millions; and the Act taxes to the amount of 3,000,0001. per ann.. had wholly failed in its operations, as Mr. Mellish presented a petition from upon the sum of ten millions, only 60,0001. certain merchants, ship-owners, &c. in had been received in the shape of divi. Poplar, Limehouse, and Ratcliffe-Highdends.

way, against the Foreign Enlistment Bill.

The Attorney General moved the second June 3,

reading of the Foreign Enlistment Bill. The Chancellor of the Exchequer submit The motion was strenuously opposed by ted to the House, in a Committee on Public Sir R. Wilson (who moved to postpone the Income and Expenditure, the following second reading for six months), Mr. Denresolutions :

тап, Mr. F. Douglas, Mr. Marryát, and “ That since the termination of the war Mr. M'Donald ; and supported by the At. in 1815, the Property-tax in Great Britain, torney General, Mr. Wynn, Sir C. Robin


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son, and Lord Castlereagh. On a division, per cwt. The brewing of a quarter of the amendment was negatived, and the malt, which in May last year cost 91.16s.8d. original motion carried by 155 to 42. The would now cost only 61. 17s. 4d. He Bill was then read a second time.

proposed to take 9s. 4d. for the publick, The House, in a Committee, agreed to leaving a difference of 21. 9s. in favour of the resolutions proposed by the Chancellor of the brewer. From this tax he calculated the Exchequer, allowing of a composition upon a revenue of 1,400,0001. By an adfor the Assessed Taxes, in lieu of any fur, ditional tax on British spirits he hoped to ther 'surcharge, at the rate of 5 per

cent. raise 500,0001., ou tobacco 500,0001., on for houses and windows, and 10 per cent. coffee and cocoa 130,0001., ou tea 130,0001., for household establishments.

and pepper 30,0001. The total, then, of After a debate on the Frame-work Knit- the increased taxes, would be 5,190,0001.; ters' Bill, a motion for committing it was but, making an allowance for incidental carried by 37 to 15.

deficiencies in collection, he would esti

mate it at 3,000,0001. He did not expect June 7.

that these taxes could be made available Lord Cranbourn brought up the Sale for the present year; but in the course of of Game Bill, which was read the first the next, and the following year, much time.

good might be expected. It had been The House then went into a Committee thought that great diminution in the reon the Public Income, &c. Mr. Vansittart venue would take place, on account of the addressed the Committee at some length, stagnation of trade. The quarter endiog in support of the resolutions which he had the 5th of April, had an increase of submitted on the 3d inst. (see p. 69.) The 200,0001.; but that of the present quarter, revenue, after applying the produce of the amounted to 107,0001. of a decrease comSinking Fund to the service of the year, would pared to the amount of last quarter. He afford only a surplus of about 2,000,0001. was not so very sanguine as to say, that as an operative sivking fund. This, he there would be immediately any very contended, was too small a sum to satisfy great improvement, but he did believe the public creditor, preserve the stability that there would not be found any further and dignity of the country, provide for diminution. The alarm which was resuch emergencies as might arise, and hold cently raised about the approaching re. out to the publick any prospect of the sumption of cash-payments bad already smallest relief from their present burdens. subsided. It was found that the fears He proposed to raise this sum to 5,000,0001. which that measure bad created were unhy additional taxation to the amount of founded, and in consequence industry had 3,000,0001. The details of this measure returned, and our revenue would be rewould more properly come under conside stored. He admitted that the imposition ration in the Committee of Ways and of new taxes brought with it the strongest Means. He would at present only state obligation to economy, and he intended to that he looked to the consolidation of cer propose a resolution, calling upon the Extain duties of customs, including a duty on ecutive Governinent to adhere to it in the foreign wool, for 500,0001. The next re strictest sense. (Loud cries of heur, hear, source was a malt tax. The repeal of from the Opposition benches.) The effects the war tax upon malt had been expected of the calls to this effect had been already to benefit agriculture, to increase the re seen : one of them could not be denied ; venue by an increased consumption, and it was the diminution of expence in the also to lower the price of beer, a beverage collection and management of the public of so much importance to the labouring revenue. Many improvements had been classes. In all the three points the ex made, and though all that had been sugpectation had wholly failed. With respect gested could not be carried into effect in to' beer, it was now at as high a price as the course of the present Session, yet such when the tax was highest upon malt. He av amelioration might be expected in the proposed, therefore, to lay upon malt one course of a little time as would be produce half of the war duty, that was Is. 2d. per tive of the best results. The Right Hon. busbel. This would afford a justification Gentleman concluded by moving (in addifor the present price of beer, but no justi. dition to the former resolutions (in p. 69.) fication for a higher price. He here “ That with a view of accelerating the begged to refer to a most important state period at which relief may be afforded to ment in the Report of a Committee which the country from a part of its burdens, a had inquired into this subject last year. continued and vigilant superintendance A gentleman of the highest respectability, ought to be exercised over the expendiaud of the greatest professional experience ture of the State in all its several departon the subject, he meant Mr. Barclay, ments, and that a minute investigation had given evidence that in May, last year, should be instituted into the mode and exmalt was 81s. per quarter, and hops 241. pence of management and collection in to 25l. per cwt. At present malt was The several branches of the revenue, in only 63s. per quarter, and hops 81. to 101. order that every reduction may be made


therein which can be effected without de. proaching wave. If Parliament withdrew triment to the public interest."

its confidence from the present Ministers, The whole of the resolutions were then let them not hesitate a moment in carrying read, and on the question being put on that opinion to the foot of the throne. the first of them,

They would be base, indeed, to think of Mr. Tierney addressed the Committee. continuing in office, if they were denied They now saw what was the boasted flou. the means of meeting the difficulties in rishing stale of the country. With a debt which the country found itself placed. of 800,000,0001. we had only 2,000,0001. But this question had been decided when applicable as a sjokiog fund, and to raise the House of Commons had had the couthat to 5,000,0001. it was necessary to lay rage to declare, by its vote, that it placed on an already overburthened and dis more reliance on the measures of Ministers tressed people 3,000,0001. more of taxes ; than on the speeches of their antagonists. and to crown all, this was represented to In the sequel of the discussion, the prebe for the stock-holder's benefit; and he vious question was supported by Mr. was to incor the odium of the measure, at Brougham, Mr. J. H. Smythe, Mr. Scarlet, a time that a breach of faith was com Mr. C. Calvert, Mr. Calcraft, Mr. MDomitted with regard to him, by depriving nald, and Mr. R. Martin; and the origihim of his former security to the extent of nal resolutions by Mr. Huskisson, Mr. 13,000,0001. a year.

He would not con Bankes, and Mr. Canning. sent to new taxes until every possible re. On a division, the amendment was netrenchment had been made, An Admi. gatived by 329 to 132. The resolutions nistration which made economy their ob. were agreed to. ject might save at least 1,000,0001. a year to the country. He expected nothing of

June 8. the sort from the present Ministers. They On the motion of Mr. M. A. Taylor, a would not part even with the patronage of Select Committee was appointed to inquire two Lords of the Admiralty. If they were into the practicability of constructing sincere in their expectations of a long Steam-engines in such a manner as to peace, let them show it by further reduce make them consume their own Smoke, in tions in our military establishinents. The order to prevent the injurious effects to expences of many of our colonies might health from the numerous steam-engines be diminished; a consolidation of offices in the metropolis. under the revenue might take place, and The House baving gone into a Comthe office of a third Secretary of State, as mittee on the Slave Registry Act, Mr. he (Mr. Tierney) had once proposed, might Goulburn moved that the Chairman should be entirely abolished. The necessity of a ask leave to bring in a Bill, establishing Board of Controul might also be taken into some new regulations on this subject. consideration. Might not it be also ad- The plan to be proposed was, that there viseable to look at the Horse Guards; should be an office in this country, in and to consider the necessity of having a which duplicates should be lodged of the Secretary at War in a time of profound number of slaves in each colony ; that an. peace ?

“ But then,” say the supporters individual should be appointed for its suof the present system, “ if these reduc perintendance; that power of reference to tions are made, no Administration can the duplicates in this office should be given possibly stand.” He maintained, that to all parties ; and that on the removal of any Administration which owed its conti. slaves from one colony to another, certifi. nuance in power to such support as this cates should be given to that effect; and extravagance supplied, ought not to stand that precautions should be adopted to prefor a single moment. He should not go vent abuses of the permission given by into the detail of the proposed taxes, ob. the Act 46th of the King, to slaves to acjecting, as he did, to the levying of any, company their masters from one colony to under existing circumstances. He com another. After a short conversation, the cluded with moving the previous question. motion was agreed to, and, on the House

Lord Castlereagh, in supporting the re being resumed, leave was given to bring solutions, vindicated the conduct of Mi. in the Bill. nisters. The present was not a question Mr. Brogden brought up the Report of of party, but one between the Parliament the Finance Resolutions. On the question and the country ; for no country could be that they be agreed to, Mr. Curwen opconsidered safe which did not, in time of posed the whole plan of the Minister, and peace, make such a progressive reduction especially new taxes. He could not conof its debt as would enable it to meet the sent to additional burthens on his conhazard of a future war; the burdens of stituents, 4000 of whom, by the hardest one war ought not to be allowed to accu. labour of 14 hours a day, could not earn mulate on those of another, until the ves. more than 5s. 9d. per week. sel of the state became, as it were, water Sir H. Parnell objected to the proposed logged, without a chance of reaching port, application of the Sinking Fund for the and dreading destruction from every ap current services.


Mr. P. Moore would never consent to which was 1,344,0001. in the sum of any new tax until he saw that every eco 2,400,0001, of net revenue, The amendnomical exertion had been made by Go ment was then negatived without a divi. vernment.

sion, and the resolution agreed to; and Mr. Hume strongly recommended eco the other resolutions being put seriatim, nomy. The allowance for Ceylon, the were carried successively in the affirmaIonian Islands, and the Cape of Good tive, till the question was put upon the last, Hope, ought to be discontinued. The Ci. when Sir M. W. Ridley moved an amendvil List should be reduced from 1,200,000/. . ment, declaring that "it is not expedient, to 900,0001. Gold lace and gorgeous trap- in the distressed state of the country, and pings added nothing to the British cha. until every practical retrenchment had racter ; economy was what was needed 'been made, to add to the burdens of the strict undeviating economy. Look at the people by the impositions of new taxes." office of Commander in Chief: would any After some observations from Mr. Van. man believe that we were paying 16 gui. sittart, Lord Milton, Mr. Primrose, and neas a day to an individual for filling an others, the amendment was negatived, and office which was wholly useless? If the the original resolution carried by 186 to 76. necessary papers were produced, it would appear that the income of that Royal

June 9. Duke was scarcely less than 100,0001.. Mr. Serjeant Onslow agreed to put off per annum. The expences of the Mint, the Usury Laws Repeal Bill until next and of the Woods and Forests, ought also Session, in order to ascertain the effect to be reduced : the latter was not of the of the resumption of cash payments. slightest use, and he (Mr. Hume) hoped The House having resolved itself into to live to see the day when even the pre a Committee of Ways and Means, the tence of necessity would be taken away, by Chancellor of the Exchequer said, that by the sale of all the Crown Lands, which the several discussions which had already cost the nation more than they were worth. taken place upon the various topics which (Hear.) In the Staff of the Army only formed a part of the budget, that much 50,0001. might be saved ; in the Ordnance of his labour on the present occasion Department 30,0001, and in the Army Ex. would be abridged. The House having traordinaries no less than 150,0001. One already agreed to a resolution for addi. great source of charge to the nation was tional taxes, made it unnecessary for him the mode in which Stamps were distri. to state the grounds upon which those buted In all cases more was paid to taxes were required. It only, therefore, the distributors than they merited. The remained for him to state the details of profit upon stamps was 10 per cent.; so those principles which the House had al. no salary ought to be allowed.

ready agreed upon. He would then begin Mr. Primrose was not prepared to go by recapitulating, as usual, the items of the length of some of the opponents of expense and supply-the arrangements the measure, but he objected to the Malt which had been made as to the specific tax, and one or two other items.

application of the means and show, in Mr. D. W. Harvey said, that 24,0001. the conclusion, that it would not be nea year might be saved in Exchequer pro cessary in future to have recourse to secutions ; for at present, in a suit for only fresh taxes, or to any extraordinary supà 201. penalty, there were five counsel al- plies, except a small loan 'next year. ways employed for the Crown.

The first grant was for the Army, the Mr. Alderman Waithman objected to the ordinaries and extraordinaries of which whole of the taxes. It was particularly together amounted to 8,900,0001. For galling that many of those who lived upon the Navy, Parliament had already voted taxation, and who imposed fresh burdens 6,436,0001; for the Ordnance, 1,191,0001; upon a starving people, retired to enjoy for Miscellaneous Services, 1,950,0001. themselves in a foreign country.

The total of the Supplies therefore, was The first and second resolutions were 18,477,0001. But to that must be added. then agreed to.

1,570,000l. for interest on Exchequer On the declaratory resolution relative Bills, and 430,0001. for a sinking fund to the Irish finances (see p. 69) Sir J. New. on those Exchequer Bills, making the porl moved an amendment, by inserting total amount 20,477,0001. To meet that after the words “United Kingdom” the expenditure, Parliament had already words, “notwithstanding there had been voted the annual Malt Duties 3,000,0001., raised by Taxes on the People of Ireland, and the continuation of Excise Duties and paid into the Exchequer, within the 3,500,000l. It was his intention to properiod which elapsed between the Union pose raising 240,0001. by way of lottery. of the Kingdoms and the Consolidation of From the sale of naval stores, it was the Treasuries, the sum of 60,125,0001, estimated that 334,4471. would be probeing an annual average of 3,750,0001. duced. The aggregate amount of those raised by Tax, and exceeding the annual several sums was 7,074,4471. average of 12 years preceding the Union, therefore, obvious, that means must be


It was,

adopted to provide the sum of nearly He had now to state to the Committee thirteen millions and a half, which was the terms on which he had that mornthe difference between the total of the ing contracted for the loan of 12,000,0001.; Sapplies and the total of the Ways and and he was happy to congratulate the Means, as he had hitherto described Committee and the Country, that in conthem. It was also necessary to provide sequence of the competition which had the means of repaying 5,000,0001. to been excited, the terms of that loan were the Bank of England, and of raising highly advantageous and satisfactory, 5,597,0001. for the reduction of the un and were, indeed, such as clearly to funded debt. Government standing pledg evince a reviving confidence and increased to that proceeding. For those pur. ing spirit in the money market. The poses it was proposed to raise two loans, terms were as follows : viz, that for every each to the amount of 12,000,0001. The 1001. of the 12,000,0001. subscribed, the details of that loan, which was to be de- subscribers should receive 801. stock in rived from the sinking fund, he would the three per cent. consols, and 62. 185. submit to Parliament at an early day. 8d. stock in the three per cent. reduced, All that he would now state was, that it Two other lists were offered, the one prowas proposed in the arrangements re- posing to receive 651. 10s. in the three specting it, to press as little as possible per cent. reduced, the other 651. 2s. 6d. on the money-market; and, therefore, to The list preferred, therefore, far outwent divide it into twelve monthly payments; its competitors, and was consequently ac those payments not to be equal, but to cepted; as, of course, the smaller the be to the amount of 900,0001. a month sum which it was offered to take in the in the July and January quarters, and stock in which it was appointed that the 1,100,0001, a month in the April and biddings should be made, the greater the October quarters.

That would leave benefit to the public. The whole amount 310,0001. of sinking fund to be applied borrowed, including the loan, from the monthly to the reduction of the national sinking fund, was 24,000,0001.; the jotedebt. The two loans of 12,000,0001. rest on this loan amounted to 1,029,1201., added to the ways and means which he and the charge for the sinking fund to had already enumerated, would make 403,5941. This was strictly carrying into 31,074,0001. which, compared with the effect the provisions of the Act of 1813, amount of the supplies, viz. 20,477,0001., by which, when a loan should exceed left a surplus of 10,597,0001. to be ap the amount of the sinking fund, an ad. plied to the reduction of the unfunded dition was appointed to be made to the debt, viz. 5,000,0001. to the payment of charge for the sinking fund; though this the Bank of England, and the remaining provision might have been dispensed 5,597,0001. to the payment of individuals with, when so large a proportion of the holding Exchequer Bills. The compara. loan was for the purpose of paying off tive view of the whole of the Supplies and unfunded debt. The sinking fund theo Ways and Means, was, therefore, as follows: amounted to 1,403,5941.; the amount of SUPPLIES.

charges of management was 10,2911. ; Army.

£.8,000,000 making a total of 1,442,0051. With re Navy

6,436,000 spect to the charge for management, he Ordnauce

1,191,000 thought the Bank had no right to any Miscellaneous

1,950,000 allowance for that part of the loan de

rived from the sinking fund, but only Total Supplies....... 18,477,000 to that part of it now obtained froin the Interest on Exchequer Bills 1,570,000 public. The loan obtained from the sinko Siuking Fund on Ditto .... 430,000 ing fund would stand in the names of the

commissioners, and the interest would be

20,477,000 applied in the same manner as the other By reduction of Unfunded,

sums which were paid over to them. The Debt .......

total charge to the public was, as he had

already stated, 1,442,005). The rate of

£.31,074,000 interest to the subscribers was 47. 5s. 8da WAYS AND MEANS.

The total amount of charge to be paid Annual Malt........

£.3,000,000 by the public would be 61., Os. 21. inExcise Duties continued. 3,500,000 cluding the sinking fund. He certainly Lottery

240,000 had to congratulate the public on the Oid Stores

354,100 terms of the loan (hear, hear); and he

trusted it would not be unfavourable to

77,074,000 the parties who had contracted for the Loan

12,000,000 loan : though the terms appear at first Loan from the Sinking Fund 12.000 000 sight hardly justifiable to those who had

taken it, judging from the present price

£.31,074,000 of stocks. Before le proceeded to the GENT. Mac. July, 1819,


} 10,597,000

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