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By the CHAIRMAN: Q. Were you at the meeting at the Parker House in this city in October!-A. I was not.
Q. Were you advised that there would be such a meeting ?-A. I was pot.
Q. Yon are a manufacturer yourself 1-A. Yes, sir.
Q. Connected with what establishment !-A. The Belvidere Woolen Mills.
Q. How many men do they employ?-A. We have in our employ about forty men.
Q. Of what nationality are they ?-A. They are English, Irish, one or two Scotca, and two or three Americans.
Q. There are how many voters among them !-A. I think twenty-tive or twenty-six voters,
Q. Are they Irish or English principally !--A. They are English and Irish both.
Q. Is the preponderance of nationality among the voters in favor of the Irish or the English ?-A. I think they are nearly even divided.
Q. Do you know the politics of the Irishmen ?-A. I know the politics of several of them.
Q. What are they ?-A. Republicans.
Q. About how many !-A. I should judge there were about half a dozen.
9. Out of the twenty-six or twenty-seven :-A. Yes, sir..
Q. Were you there in the Tilden campaig: all day !--A. I was not there all day.
Q. You did not, then, take part on the election day in 1876 all day?A. No, sir.
Q. Did you in November, 1877 ?-A. No, sir.
Q. Did you distribute tickets to the employés of your mills as they came up ?-A. I did not
Q. Were the tickets distributed to them before they came up ?-A. Not to my knowledge.
Q. Who is your managing and controlling man in regard to the operatives in the mills ?--A. Our concern is not a very large one. My father is the chief manufacturer; I come next, and then we have a cousin of miue vamed John Stott.
Q. Was be at the polls!-A. He was.
Q. Is Jobn Stott in the babit of being at the polls all day ?-A. Be is.
Q. How many of the men from your mills voted that day !-A. It would be impossible for me to tell you.
Q. Did you try to prevent any of the men from voting for Butler ?A. I did not.
Q. Did you give any of the men Talbot tickets !-A. I did not except, tbat is, iu passing me.
Q. That is what I want to know whether, as they passed you, you did not give the democrats Talbot tickets.-A. I might have done it.
Q. And told them that that was the ticket for them to vote 1-A. I might have done it.
Q. You told that to independent men ?-A. I might have done it.
Q. Was apy word given out by your foreman or anybody connected with the mill as to how you wanted them to vote?-A. I think not.
Q You left that until election day?-A. Yes; I did not make any particular effort, but I presume, as many of these employés had been with us so many years and I being quite familiar with them, that in talkjpg over political matters I asked tbem-I have no doubt I asked several of them-how they were going to rote. Many of them told me they were going to vote for Butler, and I endeavored to dissuade them.
Q. Then you presented yourself at the polls to carry tbat out by moral influence !-A. Yes, sir.
Q. The tirst time for several years ?-A. The first time for several years.
Q. I would be glad if you would tell me to how many Democratic employés of yours you gave the Republican ticket I-A. I cannot fix the number.
Q. Do you know how many of your employés voted for Butler at the preceding election for Representative in Congress 1-A. Butler then was the Repnblican nominee. I presuine that a large proportion of them voted for him.
Q. Did the Democrats in the mill vote for Butler theu as well as the Republicans ?-A. It is really an impossibility for me to tell you that, because I do not know, but I presume that many of them did.
Q. Of course you voted for Butler yourself ?-A. I voted for Butler and took a very prominent part in securing his election.
Q. You reversed that action last year, though !--A. I did.
Q. You felt that it was importaut it should be done ?-A. I felt that General Butler was a turncoat, that he had left the Republicau party for reasons best known to himself, and consequently that I would do my best to elect the nominee of the Republican party.
Q. Hence you went to the polls and did the best that you could dolA. I did the best I could; yes, sir.
By Mr. McDONALD: Q. At what time bad you this couversation with Governor Talbot about your being one of the speakers ?-A. It might have been a month previous to the election.
Q. Where did it occur !-A. I have forgotten now. He bas a place of business in Lowell, and it may have been there, when I called to see him. He resides four miles from Lowell, but has an office iu Lowell.
Q. You called to tender your services to him as a speaker ?-A. I asked him if there was anything I could do. Among other things I asked him if there was a lack of speakers, and said I might be able to say a word in bis favor.
Q. He did not tbink you could be efficient in that way?-A. He did not. He thought that if we could put a little more personal effort into the campaign it would be better than talk.
Q. And from that time on, you did put more personal effort into the campaign!-A. Well, I put a good deal.
Q. What do you wean, exactly, by - personal effort"?-A. I mean, taking an active interest in the election.
Q. Talking personally, do you mean ?-A. No; looking after the cau. vassing of voters; looking after any otber inatters that might come up; the distribution of documents; anything of that sort.
Q. Does it not imply a personal influence or effort as far as you can exert such influence and effort !-A. Yes, sir; to exert a personal influ ence as far as that can be done.
Q. Is not that exertion made by seeing the voter bimself ratber tban by trying to see how many persons may vote ?-A. Oftentimes it may be.
Q. In exercising this personal influence that Governor Talbot desired you to use, did you not make it known to all persons, those who were engaged in the mills as well as others, that you did feel a very decided personal interest in the success of Governor Talbot and in the defeat of General Butler ?-A. I cannot say that I did. My own feelings, as far as the two candidates were concerned, were certainly in favor of Mr. Talbot from the fact that he was the Republican nominee, and also from the fact that I had known him for so many years intimately.
Q. You were ready to go on the stump and proclaim it to the world it Talbot bad been of the same opinion on that subject !--A. Yes, sir.
Q. Now, as you did not go on the stump- A. I did go ou the stump a little; made a few speeches.
Q. In what particular neighborhood; within sound of your own fac. tory !-A. No, sir; beyond that.
Q. Within sound of it?-A. No.; no man with an ear-trumpet could have beard me. :
Q. Within sound of your own operatives ?-A. No. They could have read wbat I said if it had been put in the papers.
Q. Could they not have beard it ?-A. No, sir.
Q. Could they not have known witbout reading the papers that you were unusually active and energetic, and felt the necessity of using your personal influence ?-A. They might have known it; yes, sir.
Q. Do you know whether any of your operatives voted for Butler that day?-A. I koow they have tolıt me since that they voted for But. ler. I know that my cousin asked how so and so was going to vote, and they told me he was a Butler Democrat, and he afterwards told me that he voted for Butler.
Q. Who was that so-aud-so!-A. A young man who works in our finisbing department.
Q. And you inquired of your cousin ?-A. He was our clerk then and is now.
Q. You inquired of him how this young man was going to vote, and he said he was going to vote for Butler. So that you know that one of your employés did vote for Butler ?—A. Yes, sir.
Q. How many do you say voted for him the year before, when he was the Republican candidate?- A. It is impossible to say. A large majority voted for him.
Q. When you were for him they were for him ; when you were against bim they were against him, except this one ?--A. I don't know but tbat there were others.
Q. Before, when you were for him, there was a large majority of your employés for him ; on this occasion, when you were active in using your personal influence against bim, you do not know of but one who voted for him ?-A. You must bear in mind that when he ran for Cougress he ran as a Republican, and that a majority of employés in this mill are Republicans.
Q. Still there are quite a number of Democrats there, you say?-A. Yes, quite a number of Democrats.
Q. Out of all the Democrats do you know of only one Democrat who did not follow your personal lead tbis time?-A. I know of that one.
Q. So that your mill is tolerably harmonious on the subject of poli. tics ?-A. It has always been.
Q. And pretty unanimous ?-A. Yes, sir.
Q. There is not any great need for what they call : bullelozing” in that mill, is there ?-A. I should not think that there was.
Q. It is only necessary for them to know how you are personally ex. erting your influence -A. I don't know about that matter.
Q. You said that the year before a inajority were for him ?A. True; but I just answered your question that a majority were Republicans, and I was for him as he was tbe Republican nominee.
Q. And as you were for him because he was the Republican nominee, they were for him I-A. We wanted to send him to Congress to offset Ben. Hill.
Q. You were endeavoring to make a solid North against a solid South ; was that the cue ?-A. That was our idea.
Q. And Ben. Hili was your objective point. He was the man at the South at whoin you were aiming more especially -A. He was, for our candidate thought he ought to be there to look after him.
Q. Butler thought he ought to be there to look after hiin, and you thought so too!-A. Yes; we thought that, as that was his special mission, we would send him there.
Q. And your employés rather acted and thought the same way ?A. They acted the same way, many of them.
Q. Now, you say that this chairman of this Democratic city committee was standing there and men came up with tickets in their hands-uot Republican tickets, were they !-A. I am not able to say.
Q. Could you not tell very easily !--A. Yes, I could have told. I should say they were not Republican tickets, because the Republican ticket last year was a peculiar ticket.
Q. I have understood so. It was easily discerned ; but tbey had Democratic tickets, and the Democratic manager did not know but that those tickets bad been doctored ?-A. They did not have Democratic tickets.
Q. Then what kind of tickets did they have!-A. The tickets that were circulated at last fall election were headed “ Labor Reform"; that is, the Greenback tickets. General Butler's name beaded all of those tickets, I think, and several of the nominees were of the Greenback per. suasion. . Then there was the straight Democratic ticket. These that I saw taken from the hands of the voters were, in my opinion, the Greenback tickets.
Q. They were getting things a little confused and this chairman was straightening the matter out, is that it!-A. My impression is that he thought they did not know how they ought to vote, and that, to prevent any mistakes, he would give them the simon pure ticket.
Q. Now, as to the tickets they brought up that had somebody's name pasted upon them; whose pame was it ?-A. That I couldn't tell yon.
Q. But you were there to see that they did not paste Butler's name over Talbot's? You, on your side, were trying to keep thein straight, as the chairman on the other side was trying to keep the tickets on bis side straight l-A. Yes, sir.
Q. Was be doing anything unlawrul, in your opinon? Was he trying to trick or coerce the men into voting in a way different from that in which they were inclined to vote 1-A. You must clraw your own inference from the circumstances as I have related them.
Q. No, I am asking for the opinion that you ball of his act at the time, wbile you were standing by bis side!-A. Taking forcibly a ticket. from the band of a voter and substituting another would not appear to be a lawful act.
Q. I do not propose to enter into an argument about it, but I am ask. ing you what you thought of it, then, when standing by his side ! - A. I thought it was sometbing of an outrage.
Q. Did you tell him so?-A. I don't remember. We had more or less of cbaffering back and forth.
Q. Did you tell biw tbat he was committing an outrage ?-A. I may have. I don't remember.
Q. When you were taking tickets out of the hands of Republicans and putting straight ones in their bands, what, do you suppose, did be think of that?-A. Did I testify that I took any out?
Q. You gave them otber tickets. Did you not put other tickets in their hands -A. I held them out in this way. They took them from me.
Q. Were any of those who took tickets from you employés of your mill-A. No, sir.
Q. They were outside parties 1-A. They were outside parties.
Q. When you were handing out tickets to the men because you were apprehensive that they might have Republican tickets on wbich there bad been some doctoring done, wbat did the chairman of the Democratic city committee, who was standing by you, say about that !-A. I don't think he said anything.
Q. You thought it was an outrage for bim to take tickets from Democrats coming up there and give the straight tickets, but that it was perfectly right for you to give Republicans straight tickets !-A. It was right in the way that I gave them.
Q. You were more polite about it than he. You said, “ If you please, sir"; while be, you say, snatched them out of the hands of the meu and said, “Here's the ticket you want." You are sure that your act was perfectly right and i hat bis was wrong?--A. I am sure that wine was cor
Mr. McDONALD. But you have undertaken to judge of his action and your own also ?
By Mr. BLAIR: Q. Have you ever known any instance whatever wherein any manufacturing corporation or any one in their behalf has discharged an employé for having voted as he pleased ?-A. It never has come under my observation in the city of Lowell,
By the CHAIRMAN: Q. You meant to bave your men vote against Butler 1-A. So far as they would-yes, sir.
Q. Did you not mean that all the power that could be exercised and all the influence that could be brought to bear there should be exercised and brought to bear in favor of Talbot 1-A. I believe that any man en. titled to the suffrage has the right to exercise it freely; and so far as any man wished to vote for Butler, he was not intimidated in any way.
Q. That is not the question.-A. Of course I exerted every reasonable influence I could to secure their votes for Talbot. Now, I must take back that statement, because I do not think I interviewed more than two or three of our people previous to the election. That is my impres. sion pow.
Q. Then you did interview some of them ?-A. Yes, sir.