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Q. It was a private conversation ?-A. It was a private conversation between him and me.
Q. Was be trying to influence you in any way ?-A. No, sir; he could not influence me. . I was a Butler man and voted for bim.
Q. He was a Talbot man and worked for Talbot I-A. Yes, sir.
Q. What do you know about this Sanderson matter ?-A. I went off to some Butler rallies last fall with Mr. Sanderson, and be expressed bimself as a Butler man. He was so anxious for Butler's election that be carried me out of the town to a Butler rally. He was so very cautious, however, that Mr. Whitney or Mr. Edgells should not know that he was using the town team for that purpose, that he asked us to step to a block pear by before we set out; we did so. He was very strong for Butler up to just before the election, whey be suddenly changed. He told me both before and after the election that his views were identical with General Butler's on the money question and on the election.
Q. How did he vote ?-A. He told me he voted for Talbot.
By Mr. BLAIR:
Q. This conversation that you had with Mr. Bryaut could not have been designed to influence you in any way, then !-A. It was designed to influeuce me, but could not influence me; it was a private conversation.
Q. You did not work for him ?-A. I didn't work for bim.
Q. He said that in case of Butler's election he should close his fac. tory and discbarge his help ; in other words, be would have to stop business, or would stop business ?-A. Yes, sir; be would be unable to do any business; that was the meaning of it.
Q. There was a pretty serious difference between those who voted for Talbot and those wbo voted for Butler upon the financial question, was there not, and upon the effect of the result of the election on business matters, and he thought it would probably have an effect to ruin his business ?-A. That was the way I took it.
By Mr. PLATT:
By the CHAIRMAN: Q. Do you know of anybody living there who went away from town because of a desire not to vote 1-2. I do not.
Q. Do you kuow of a man na ied Smith going to New Hampshire ?A. Yes, sir; he works near me
Q. What did he say I-A. He did not go to New Hampshire to get rid of voting; he had been calculating to go to New Hampshire for some time; was calculating to go in the week before the election and something happened; bis folks went away and he did not go; but he did go in election week, and did not rote. He was a Butler man.
Q. Did he say why be went 1-A. He told me that he went for the reason that his folks were not at home.
Mr. PLATT. If a man's family leaves home before the election and goes out of the State, does that deprive the mpan of bis vote?
The WITNESS. Yes, sir.
By Mr. Platt: Q. I understood you to say that he had a family.-A. No, I spoke of bis friends he was going to visit, in New Hampshire.
By Mr. BLAIR: Q. What was tbe result of the election in Gardner ?-A. It was Republican bs a small majority. The vote stood, I think, for Talbot, 376 or 379, and for Butler 306.
Q. It was a pretty sharp fight ?-A. It was for the time we under. took to fight, six weeks before the election.
Q. A large part of the Democratic party there went for Butler ?-A. Yes, sir.
Q. Do you know Warren Newell ?-A. I do not.
Q. Do you know Jovatban A. Perham !-A. I do; I have kdown bim tor some time.
EPHRAIM D. HOWE sworn and examined :
By the CHAIRMAN: Question. Where do you lire ?-Auswer. In Gardner, Worcester Counts.
Q. What is your business ?-A. I am a practicing attorney.
Q. State what you know about this trausaction with Mr. Sanderson. -A. In relation to Mr. Sanderson, I know that up to the night before the election he was a very strong Butler man, and that he contributed to the Butler fund. He went to a Butler meeting in East Cumberland, and was going to make a speech there, but there were so many other speakers that he did not speak. In the night, or sometime toward erening of the day before the election, he came to me-Dr. William H. H. Hines, the dentist, being present-addressed me, and finally said, “I am going to cbange to-morrow aud vote for Thomas Talbot. I asked him why. He replied that it was on account of a mob in Lawrence, or on the train from Lowell to Lawrence. I asked him, “ do you not know, Mr. Sanderson, that the officers of that road bave denied that state. ment!” Then he dodged on to another subject and gave another reason. He said that he had read Carl Schurz's speech very carefully, and that that had convinced him. Dr. Hines then spoke up and said, “Didn't you tell me, Mr. Sanderson, that you had read that speech, and you did not think much of it?" Then Mr. Sanderson assigned as a reason that he really did not know that he agreed with General Butler on the Green. back question. He was followed up and le changed three or four times, assigning that mauy different reasons.
Q. He was a Butler man until the day of the election, and then changed from that I-A, He was until four or five o'clock in the after. boon of that day.
Q. What was the condition of sentiment among the employés prior to this manufacturers' meeting at Worcester and the action by the man. utacturers, and wbat was it after that in the county, so far as you know !-A. Previous to that time the feeling in Gardner was so strong for Butler tbat some of his friends, more enthusiastic than I, counted up 527 votes for biin out of 900 votes; and yet, just before the election, I guess it was a week before, we struck off all but 300 names, and we only claimed about 300 votes. So that, toward the end, there seemed to have been a change.
Q. Of the names of thiose who thus changed, what proportion, in your opinion, were those of Democrats and laboring men employed bs Re. publicans ?-A. I don't think I could give an answer to that.
By Mr. BLAIR: Q. Do you know yourself of any definite, tangible thing that was done by employers to intimidate any one ?--A. I do not.
WILLIAM J. Dowd sworn and esamined.
By the CHAIRMAN: Question. What is your business now ?-Answer. I am a police officer in Chelsea.
Q. In the fall of 1878 were you connected with the registration committee in any way?--A. I was one of the Democratic ward and city committee in Chelsea. I had a certain part of the ward in which I lived in Chelsea to look after so as to see that we got all the names on the list that we could find.
0. State what came under your notice in your performance of that duty ?-A. I had some tax bills given me. One of them was for a mau named Thomas (or Robert) Gray, a colored man. I went down to where he worked in the afternoon of the last day on which he could register his name, found him and told him he had better come up and register. The man who employed him happened to be there at the time and asked him where he was going. He replied that he was going to hare bis name put on the list so that he could vote on election day. His employer asked him for whom he was going to vote and he replied that he was going to rote for Butler.His employer then told him that he must not vote for Butler if he was going to work for him ; told him that he (the employer) had done cousiderable for him, and that he wanted him to mind if he was going to vote for Butler. I told his employer I did not know who he was going to vote for. I supposed that the tax bill had been paid by the district committee. I supposed that the man was going to rote for Morse; in fact, I understood that the map was going to vote for Morse.
Q. What became of the case? Did the man rote?-A. The man registered, and I believe voted.
Q. Do you know the politics of the employer and his name?-A. Yes, sir; bis name is Daniel Curry; he is a Republican.
Q. This was a colored man to whom this was said !-A. Yes, sir.
Q. What is the business of this employer ?-A. He is an oil mer. chant.
Q. Was anybody else present ?-A. Yes.
Q. How many of them ?-A. I couldn't tell you just how many. It was right there in bis yard.
By Mr. BLAIR :
Q. You rather persisted, and you got his dame on the list without any difficulty ?-A. I did not insist at all. He came down with me in the team.
Q. You went with him and got the name on ?-A. I do not think I did. I don't think he went down with me that time; I think he went down later in tbe day, and I believe that when be went down it was with the understanding that he was not going to vote for Butler.
Q. You say you believe.. Do you know anything about it !-A. He told me so bimself; that is all that I know about it.
Q. You have the idea that be was going to vote for Butler 1-A. I believe that he did.
Q. Did he not tell you that be did ?-A. I do not think he did, but I believe, froin what was saiil there, that he was a staunch Butler man.
Q. That is all the knowledge you have about it 1-A. I think that if he went to the polls he voted for Butler. If he went with his employer he did not vote for Butler.
Q. He did not tell you how he would vote 1-A. He told me bimself that he should vote for Butler if he had to lose bis job. So I supposed from tbat he was for Butler.
Q. He was one of the men who were not intimidated 2-A. I had an idea that he would have his own way if he was not watched.
JAMES J. CREED sworn and examined.
By the CHAIRMAN :
Q. Have you been a ward officer there for any time?--A. I have been inspector of elections for three different years in ward three, Chelsea.
Q. Do you know the voters there?-A. Yes, sir.
Q. What do you know about the election in November of last year, in reference to the conduct of the employers (or their agents) of the Boston Elastic Fabric Company (McBirney's), Chelsea 1-A. I know all the men generally employed there. As a general thing, the men employed in the factors who live in the ward have been Democrats. Last year it was understood that they would go, most of them, for Talbot, and, as a consequence, most of them did.
Q. Most of them did ?-A. Yes; those who stood by the foremau did. The foreman of this factory stood all day at the polls-a thing that was something unusual-and it was understood among the men that they were obliged to vote for Talbot.
Mr. PALTT. I object to that.
Q. Had you, in your time as inspector of elections, seen Mr. Bell at the polls before in that position ?-A. Not in that position. I have seen him come in, deposit his vote, and go right out again.
Q. Did be stand where he could see the employés as they came up ?A. Yes, sir; between the door and the ballot-box.
Q. Was be where he could see the ballots as they were cast ?-A. Yes, sir; for part of the time.
Q. Had tbis ever occurred before ?-A. I had not seen it before in ten years.
Q. Ilad Mr. Bell ever been there at the polls as foreman before, that you know of l-A. Yes, sir. Q. How long before !-A. It was over ten years, to my knowledge.
Q. How many of these men in that establishment wer- Democrats, to your knowledge ?-A. We used to count from seventy-five to one hun. dred in ward three.
Q. How many of those men informed you that tbey must vote the other way or gave yon inforination to that effect ?-A. They would staud around in little bunches in the ward room and talk it up, I don't re. member aus certain number. It was kind of understood among then.
Mr. PLATT objected. He remarked that while the latitude given to the avswers bad been such as to admit individual statements to a wit. ness, it had not covered statements of general understandings, and there. fore be oljected to any such statement now. The CHAIRMAN directed the witness accordingly.
By the CHAIRMAN : Q. State what you heard the men say as to whether they were free to vote or were restrained from voting by terror or from any other cause ? -A. I heard as many as twenty-five of them say that Tom Sullivan (I don't kuow what his business in the mill is) gave each man to uuderstand that it was Mr. McBirvey's wisb that they should vote for Talbot and they must govern themselves accordingly.
Q. Sullivan was connected with the concern in some way, was be!-A. He is in the works there
By Mr. McDONALD: Q. Was be the foreman or agent or a member of the firm ?--A. I cannot say.
By the CHAIRMAN : Q. Did you see him on election day !--A. He was at the vection. Q. Was be there all day ?-A. I did not notice particularly.
By Mr. BLAIR: Q. You are a liquor dealer ?-A. Yes, sir. Q. How long bave you been a liquor dealer?—A. About ten years.
Q. At this same stand all ihe time -A. I have two different stands in the same ward.
Q. You have two different liquor establishments in the salle ward :A. I have bail part of the time; I bave been in two different places; I was in one place in one street about seven years, and in another three years.
Q. Did you at any time have two different establishments in operation in the same ward ?-A. Yes, sir.
Q. Is your business wholesale or retail !-A. Retail.
Q. In that way, did you come to be well acquainted in the ward ?A. I have lived in the ward all my life.
Q. And you knew many or most of these workinen !-A. Yes, sir.
Q Did you meet them at your places of business I–A. At different places in Chelsea.
Q. I ask did you meet them at your places of business -A. Some I did; a good many belonged to the temperance society.
Q. You say that a good many of these workmen belonged to the temperance society ?-A. Yes, sir; the majority in our ward.
Q. In regard to this inau Sullivan, do you kilow him personally ?-A. Yes, sir.
Q. Do you kuow that he is there at the present time?- A. Only from hearsalt.
Q. Do you understand that he is still there! -A. Yes, sir.