Q. But he knew you were a Butler man?-A. He did.

Q. And a somewhat active Butler man?-A. No; not active; but that I was decided, and a voter.

Q. Did you take any interest in the campaign?-A. Not at all, any further than I was my own self concerned; I didn't meddle any further.

Q. He took his money out and threw it down on the table?-A. He did; he said that there was fifty dollars that had been furnished him for this business.

Q. Did he say who furnished it ?-A. He did not, any more than he told me where it was furnished.

Q. Did you ask him any questions?-A. I don't know that I did. Q. Is there more than one national bank at Gardner?-A. No, sir. Q. Who is the cashier of that bank?—A. I cannot tell you; I don't know that I know the officers of the bank.

Q. Nor the president?-A. I cannot tell you positively, but I think it is Charles Heywood; there are men here who can tell you.

Q. He said he got the money from the bank, but did you not inquire who furnished it to him?-A. I don't know that I did; I think that I did not, and that he did not tell me who furnished it.

Q. Did he carry on the carpentering business in Gardner as a business, or was he a mere workman ?-A. He was a workman.

Q. Do you know for whom he worked?-A. He worked for Benjamin Newell.

Q. A relative of his ?-A. No, sir; not any relation.

Q. Is Benjamin Newell in Gardner now ?-A. He is, so far as I know; I saw him three or four days ago.

By Mr. BLAIR:

Q. Is he a Democrat?-A. I think he is.

Q. Did he vote for Butler last fall?—A. I cannot tell you; I do not know for whom he voted.

Q. Did you learn the names of these other men that Newell said he had already got?—A. I did not.

Q. Did you ask him any questions?-A. I don't know that I did; I don't recollect.

Q. Did he tell you afterwards of what success he was having ?-A. At that time he said he was having good success, and that he had furnished several.

Q. Did he say how many he had got then?-A. He said several; he used the word "several," and was going to see one that night.

Q. But after that time?-A. After that time I never heard him say anything about it.

Q. How long was this before the election ?-A. I should say three or four days.

Q. Did he remain there until the election?-A. Yes, and until after the election.

Q. Did he ever say anything further to you, before or after the elec tion, as to what he had done?-A. No, sir; he never mentioned it to me after that day, that I recollect.

Q. When did you first mention this matter to any one?-A. I mentioned it at the time.

Q. To whom did you tell of it at the time?-A. I think his name is Holden; he lives in Gardner.

Q. What is his first name?-A. I cannot tell you.

Q. What is his business?-A. He is a railroad repairer and repairs cars down at the junction at Ashburnham Centre.

Q. For whom did he vote last year?-A. I think he voted for Butler. Q. What talk did you have with him about it ?—A. I was coming down from town the next day after this, I guess it was, and I said to him, "They're working all manner of means to beat Butler." He asked why. I said, "They are offering money and buying up votes and buying them not to vote for Butler; they are paying them money to do either, to keep them from Butler or to have them vote for Talbot." He wanted to know what made me think so. Then I told him what I knew about it; told him about this instance.

Q. That was all that there was about it?-A. That was all.

Q. Did he say anything about it?-A. I don't know that he did anything, now.

Q. Did it appear to astonish him or provoke him?-A. He seemed to think rather strange of it, as well as myself.

Q. Did he propose to do anything about it?—A. He didn't say any thing about it to me.

Q. That was all that there was about it as far as he was concerned? -A. Yes.

Q. This was the next day?—A. Yes, sir.

Q. This would have been two or three days before the election ?—A. I judge so; I would not be positive, though, about that.

Q. You gave him this man's name, told him what had occurred in your house, and what the man had said?-A. Yes.

Q. Who was the next man to whom you said anything about this?— A. I don't know that I have said anything.

Q. You have never mentioned it from that day until now?-A. I don't know that I have; I don't recollect that I have.

Q. When did you first know that you were to come here and testify? -A. Last Friday.

Q. How far is Ashburnham from Gardner?—A. About nine miles. Q. Had you told no one anything about this from the next day after it occurred, when you told this Mr. Holden, until you were summoned ? -A. I may have mentioned it to some one, but have no recollection of any one in particular to whom I mentioned it.

Q. Do you remember of speaking of it to some one whose name you cannot recall?-A. I do not.

Q. You voted for Butler ?—A. I did.

Q. Did you feel quite anxious for the election of General Butler ?A. I did.

Q. Why did you not make a stir about this fraud and corruption in the buying of voters before the election?-A. I had no way to make any stir about it.

Q. Could you not stir your tongue about it and tell folks about it ?— A. No more than I did.

Q. You have told just one man, and he did not seem disturbed about it much?-A. I do not know that he was; he did not say that he was.

Q. Could you not have gone to the bank or to the prominent men there and made this thing known to the people of Gardner, in order to stop this corruption?—A. I don't know whether I could or not.

Q. You knew that the man was going right along in the same business-A. I knew that he said so.

Q. And you took no measures to put a stop to it ?-A. No more than to tell this man.

Q. But you saw this man carrying on before the election and through the election and knew that he was not a voter there?-A. Yes.

Q. You knew that he was in this corrupt business all the time ?—A. I did.

Q. He boarded with you right along? A. I think he boarded with me until after the election.

Q. You never said to him that he was doing wrong?-A. I do not know that I did.

Q. You never rebuked him for it nor threatened to tell of it ?—A. No. Q. You knew it was a crime, did yon?—A. I thought it was.

Q. Why did you continue to board this man and thus assist him to commit this crime? Why did you not turn him off? You could have done that much, at least, to show your disapprobation.-A. Because I could not get my pay from him. I was trying then and had been trying to get my pay.

Q. Did you get your pay in the end?-A. No; he owes me to this day for it.

Q. So that you continued to board this malefactor for nothing, did you?-A. It seems so.

By the CHAIRMAN:

Q. Are the officers in the National Bank Democrats or Republicans? -A. I should say Republicans, but I am not positive about that; I think likely there are both among them.

Q. Do you know Charles Heywood?-A. I do.

Q. Was any such name as that mentioned during the conversation?— A. Charles Heywood's name was mentioned during the conversation, but in what form or how I cannot say. I know that Mr. Newell used Charles Heywood's name in the course of the conversation.

Q. What is Charles Heywood's official position there?-A. He is an officer in the banks; I think he is in both banks.

Q. Do you know what his politics are?-A. I think he is a Democrat. Q. Do you know whom he was for last year?-A. I think he was for Talbot.

MORTON KEMP sworn and examined.

By the CHAIRMAN:

Question. Where do you live?-Answer. In Gardner.

Q. Were you there last year?—A. I was.

Q. For whom were you working?—A. I am at work for Mr. Asa Temple.

Q. For whom did you work last year before the election?-A. I worked for the same man, more or less.

Q. Were you at work for the master of the poor farm ?—A. I did work for him last fall for a while.

Q. Before the election ?-A. Yes, sir.

Q. Was the overseer of the poor there?-A. One of the overseers was there one day.

Q. What conversation had you and he and Mr. Sanderson about the election-A. I didn't have any conversation with the overseer, but he and Mr. Sanderson were talking, and just before they went away I had a little talk with Mr. Sanderson.

Q. Go on and tell what it was.-A. I couldn't tell you exactly what it was that Mr. Whitney was talking about, only that one part of it was about voting. Mr. Sanderson used to come in with me when I was in

the woods there awhile and talk along with me. He used to be talking this Butler talk considerably.

Q. What did Whitney ask Sanderson about?-A. He was talking about Talbot affairs. I couldn't tell you what part, but it was something about that. I went over there one afternoon and they had the conversation. I could not tell what they were talking about, but Sanderson began to pick out the Butler men in the north part. He picked out some eight or ten, and picked out me. After he picked me out as a Butler man, I turned right round and picked him out, because I had heard him talking a long while. He said that he had heard I was a Butler man, and I said, "There's a Butler man," meaning him.

Q. You said that Sanderson was a Butler man?-A. I told Whitney that he was.

Q. For whom were you working?—A. I was working for Robert Sanderson, at chopping. He had hired me to chop for him.

Q. Where was that?--A. That was on the poor farm.

Q. Who was Whitney?--A. Whitney was one of the overseers. Q. After Whitney left, what then?-A. Three or four of us took · a walk down the road some distance, Sanderson being among the number. In going down the road, Sanderson was a little huffy because I had said, before Mr. Whitney, who was one of the overseers, that he (Sanderson) was a Butler man. He said to me, "I shouldn't have cared so much about it if Mr. Whitney had not been there and heard it." told him that it did not make any difference; that Mr. Whitney was no better than any other man.

Q. Did you continue to work there?-A. No, sir.

Q. Why not?-A. Because he got a little down on me then.

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Q. You were discharged then, were you?-A. He didn't seem to employ me any more. Last fall he had some barrels that he wanted to have repaired and I went up and repaired them and he paid me for it. That was after this occurrence.

Q. Whitney is chairman of the poor board?—A. I think so.
Q. Did you vote for Butler?—A. I did not vote at all last fall.

Q. For whom did Sanderson vote?—A. I suppose he voted Mr. Talbot. He changed his mind and I suppose he voted for him. I had supposed he was going to vote for Butler.

Q. Why did you not vote for Butler ?-A. I thought I would not vote for either party. I didn't feel like voting for either one.

Q. Have you a family?-A. No. sir.

Q. You are a single man?-A. Yes, sir.

Q. State why you did not feel like voting for either party.-A. I didn't want to vote. I didn't change my mind, but I shall probably, if I live until fall, vote for somebody.

Q. You did not change your mind about who you were for, but did not feel that you wanted to vote?—A. I didn't feel like voting.

By Mr. BLAIR :

Q. You said that if you would live until some future time, you would probably do something. What is that?-A. I think I should vote. Q. The tendencies are now just about how ?—A. About the same as last fall.

Q. A little inclined to vote?—A. Yes, sir.

Q. But you are not decided ?-A. No, sir.

Q. If you do vote, you will vote for Butler?-A. Yes, sir.

By Mr. PLATT:

Q. What is your business?—A. Before I came into Gardner, I used

to work at coopering. I came into Gardner on the 16th of last Febru My business is working at chopping and farming.

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Q. That is, you worked out for anybody who chose to employ you?— A. When I haven't had work I worked around where I stopped. anybody wants a cooper for a barrel I do a job for them.

Q. How long had you been chopping for Mr. Sanderson at that time?— A. I didn't chop for him but a little. We had about seven cords of wood, two of us.

Q. On the town farm?-A. On the town farm.

Q. Had you worked for Mr. Sanderson at any other time previous to that?-A. I worked for him, I think, two years before that, oue day at haying.

Q. Were others employed by you in chopping?-A. There was one with me chopping the wood.

Q. Have you ever worked on the poor farm at any other time except this one day when you were haying and one day when you were chopping wood for Mr. Sanderson ?—A. Well, repairing barrels.

Q. Were the barrels for the poor-house, the alms-house?-A. Yes, sir.

Q. That is all that you have worked there?-A. That is all that I ever worked there on the farm. I have worked on the roads some, on the highway.

Q. On the town farm or town roads beside?-A. On the town roads beside.

Q. How much?-A. I worked somewhere about a few days.

Q. Did you lodge at the town farm?-A. No, sir; some of the time I lodged at Mr. Temple's and some of the time at another place, where I boarded.

LEANDER C. LYNDE Sworn and examined.

By the CHAIRMAN:

Question. Where do you live?-Answer. In Gardner, Worcester County.

Q. Do you know John C. Bryant?-A. Yes, sir.

Q. What is his business?-A. A tub and pail manufacturer.

Q. How many men does he employ ?—A. I don't know, but I presume twenty.

Q. What are his politics?-A. Republican.

Q. Do you know the politics of any of the men employed by him?A. I know the politics of some of them.

Q. State them.-A. They are Republicans, so far as I know. There may be some Democrats among them.

Q. What did you hear him say previous to the election about the result to his factory if Butler was elected?-A. On election-day he came to me at the town hall (I was at work in General Butler's interest) and advised me to work no more, telling me what the result would be if Butler was elected; that he was inside the ring and I was not, and he knew how it would be. What ring he meant you may draw your own inference. He said that he should close his factories and discharge his help.

Q. Was this said publicly ?-A. He said so to me privately on election. day. He was at work for Talbot and I was at work for Butler. Q. Was it where any person else could hear it?—A. No, sir.