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Q. But he knew you were a Butler man ?-A. He did.
Q. Aud a somewhat active Butler man !--A. No; not active; but that I was decided, and a voter.
Q. Did you take any interest in the campaign ?-A. Not at all, any further than I was my own self concerned; I didn't meddle any further.
Q. He took his money out and threw it down on the table ?-A. He did ; be said tbat there was fifty dollars that had been furnished him for this business.
Q. Did he say who furnished it ?-A. He did not, any more than he told me where it was furnished.
Q. Did you ask him any questions ?-d. I don't know that I did.
Q. Who is the cashier of that bank ?-A. I cannot tell you; I don't know that I know the officers of the bank.
Q. Vor the president ?-A. I cannot tell you positively, but I think it is Charles Heywood ; there are men here who can tell you.
Q. He said he got the money from the bank, but did you not inquire who furnished it to bim ?-A. I dou't know that I did; I think that I did not, and that he did not tell me who furnished it.
Q. Did he carry on the carpentering business in Garduer as a busi. ness, or was be a mere workman I-A. He was a workman.
Q. Do you know for whom he worked ?-d. He worked for Benjamin Newell.
Q. A relative of his 1-A. No, sir; not any relation.
Q. Is Benjamin Newell in Gardner now I-A. He is, so far as I know; I saw him three or four days ago.
By Mr. BLAIR:
Q. Did he vote for Butler last fall ?-A. I cannot tell you; I do not know for whom he voted.
Q. Did you learn the names of these other me: that Newell said he had already got ?-A. I did not.
Q. Did you ask bim any questions ?-A. I don't know that I did ; I don't recollect.
Q. Did he tell you afterwards of what success be was having ?-A. At that time he said he was baving good success, and that he had fur. pished several.
Q. Did be say how many he had got then ?-A. He said several; he used the word “ several," and was going to see one that night.
Q. But after that time ?--A. After that time I never heard him say anything about it.
Q. How long was this before the election ?-A. I should say three or fonr days.
Q. Did he remain there until the election ?-A. Yes, and until after the election.
Q. Did he ever say anything further to you, before or after the election, as to what be bad done ?-A. No, sir; he never mentioned it to me after that day, that I recollect.
Q. When did you first mention this matter to any one -A. I men. tioned it at the time.
Q. To wbom did you tell of it at the time?--A. I think his name is Holden : he lives in Gardner.
Q. What is his first name!-A. I cannot tell you.
Q. What is bis business -A. He is a railroad repairer and repairs cars down at the junction at Ashburnham Centre.
Q. For whom did he rote last year?--A. I think he voted for Butler.
Q. What talk did you have with him about it ?-A. I was coming down from town the vest day after this, I guess it was, and I said to him, “ They're working all manner of means to beat Butler.” He asked why. I said, “ They are offeriug money and buying up rotes and buy. ing them not to vote for Butler; they are paying them money to do either, to keep them from Butler or to bave them vote for Talbot.” He wanted to know what made me think so. Then I told him wbat I knew about it; told him about this instance.
Q. That was all that there was about it ?-A. That was all.
Q. Did he say anything about it?-A. I don't know that he did any. thing, now.
Q. Did it appear to astonish him or proroke him ?-A. He seemed to tbink rather strange of it, as well as myself.
Q. Did he propose to do anything about it?-A. He didu't say any. thing about it to me.
Q. That was all that there was about it as far as he was concerned ? -A. Yes.
Q. This was the next day !-A. Yes, sir.
Q. This would have been two or three days before the election !-A. I judge so; I would pot be positive, though, about that.
Q. Ycu gave bim this mau's name, told him what had occurred in your house, and what the man had said ?-A. Yes.
Q. Who was the next man to whom you said anything about this ?A. I don't know that I have said anythiug.
Q. You have never mentioned it from tbat day until now ?-A. I don't kuow that I have; I don't recollect that I have.
Q. When did you first know that you were to come here and testify? -A. Last Friday.
Q. How far is Ashburnham from Gardner ?-A. About nine miles.
Q. Had you told no one anytbing about this from the next day after it occurred, when you told this Mr. Holden, until you were summoned ? -A. I may have mentioned it to some one, but have no recollection of any one in particular to whom I mentioned it.
Q. Do you remember of speaking of it to some one whose name you cannot recall !-A. I do not.
Q. You voted for Butler ?-A. I did.
Q. Did you feel quite anxious for the election of General Butler A. I did.
Q. Why did you not make a stir about this fraud and corruption in the buying of voters before the election ?-A. I had no way to make any stir about it.
Q. Could you pot stir your tongue about it and tell folks about it ! A. No more than I did.
Q. You have told just one man, and he did not seem disturbed about it much !-A. I do not know that he was ; he did not say that he was.
Q. Could you not have gone to the bank or to the prominent men there and made this thing kuown to the people of Gardner, in order to stop this corruption ?-A. I don't know whether I could or not.
Q. You knew that the man was going right along in the same busi. ness !-A. I knew that he said so.
Q. And you took po measures to put a stop to it ?-A. No more than to tell this man.
Q. But you saw this man carrying on before the election and through the election and knew that he was not a roter there ?-A. Yes.
Q. You knew that be was in this corrupt business all the time 1-A. I did.
Q. He boarded with you right along?- A. I think he boarded with me until after the election.
Q. You verer said to him that he was doing wrong ?-. I do not know tbat I did.
Q. You never rebuked him for it nor threatened to tell of it?-A. No. Q. You knew it was a crime, did yon ?-A, I thought it was.
Q. Why did you continue to board this man and thus assist liim to commit this crime! Why did you not turn him off? You could have done that much, at least, to show your disapprobation).-A. Because I could not get my pay from bim. I was trying then and had been trying to get my pay.
Q. Did you get your pay in the end ?-A. No; he owes me to this day for it.
Q. So that you contioned to board this malefactor for nothing, did you!-A. It seems so.
By the CHAIRMAN: Q. Are the officers in the National Bank Democrats or Republicans ? -A. I should say Republicans, but I am not positive about that; I think likely there are both among them.
Q. Do you know Charles Heywood ?-A. I do.
Q. Was any such name as that mentioned during the conversation ?A. Charles Heywood's name was mentioned during the conversation, but in what form or bow I cannot say. I know that Mr. Newell used Cbarles Heywood's pame in the course of the conversation.
Q. What is Charles Heywood's official position there ?-A. He is an officer in the banks; I think he is in both banks.
Q. Do you know what his politics are ?-A. I think he is a Democrat.
Q. Do you know whom he was for last year ?-A. I think he was for Talbot.
MORTON KEMP sworn and examined.
By the CHAIRMAN :
Q. For whom were you working ?-A. I am at work for Mr. Asa Temple.
Q. For whom did you work last year before the election ?-A. I worked for tbe same man, more or less.
Q. Were you at work for the master of the poor farm ?-A. I did work for him last fall for a while.
Q. Before the election ?-A. Yes, sir.
Q. Was the overseer of the poor there?-A. One of the overseers was there one day.
Q. What conversation had you and he and Mr. Sanderson about the election I-A. I didn't have any conversation with the overseer, but be and Mr. Sanderson were talking, and just before they went away I had a little talk with Mr. Sanderson.
Q. Go on and tell what it was.-A. I couldn't tell you exactly what it was that Mr. Whitney was talking about, only that one part of it was about votivg. Mr. Sanderson used to come in with me when I was in
the woods there a wbile and talk along with me. He used to be talking tbis Butler talk considerably.
Q. What diil Whitney ask Sanderson about 1-8. He was talking about Talbot affairs. I couldn't tell you what part, but it was something about that. I went over there one afternoon and they had the con. versation. I could not tell what they were talking about, but Sander. son began to pick out the Butler men in the north part. He picked out some eight or ten, and picked out me. After he picked me out as a Butler man, I turned right round and picked bin out, because I had heard him talking a long while. He said that he had heard I was a Butler man, and I said, “ There's a Butler man," meaning bim.
Q. You said that Sanderson was a Butler man ?-A. I told Whitney thai he was.
Q. For whom were you working ?-A. I was working for Robert Sanderson, at chopping. He had hired me to chop for him.
Q. Where was that ?--A. That was on the poor farm.
Q. After Whitney left, what then I-A. Turee or four of us took: a walk down the road some distance, Sanderson being amoug the num. ber. In going down the road, Sanderson was a little huffy because I bad said, before Mr. Whitnes, who was one of the orerseers, that he (Sanderson) was a Butler man. He said to me, “I shouldn't bare cared so much about it if Mr. Whitney had not been there and heard it." I told him that it did not make auy difference; that Mr. Whitney was no better than any other man.
Q. Did ron continue to work there !-A. No, sir.
Q. You were discharged then, were you ?-1. He didn't seem to em. ploy me any more. Last fall he had some barrels that he wanted to have repaired and I went up and repairell them and he paid me for it. That was after this occurrence.
Q. Whitney is chairman of the poor board ?-A. I think so.
Q. For whom did Sanderson rote?-d. I suppose be voted Mr. Talbot. He changed his mind and I suppose he voted for him. I had sup. posed be was going to vote for Butler.
Q. Why did you not vote for Butler ?-A. I thought I would not rote for either party. I didn't feel like voting for either one.
Q. Have you a family ?-A. No, sir.
Q. State wby you did not feel like roting for either party.-A. I didu't want to vote. I didn't change my mind, but I shall probably, it I live until fall, vote for somebody.
Q. You did not change your mind about who you were for, but did not feel that you wanted to vote ?-A. I didn't feel like voting.
• By Mr. BLAIR :
Q. You said tbat if you would live until some future time, you would probably do something. What is that?-A. I think I should vote.
Q. The tendencies are now just about how ?-A. About tbe same as last fall.
Q. A little inclined to vote?-A. Yes, sir.
Q. If you do vote, you will vote for Butler ?-A. Yes, sir. . By Mr. PLATT:
Q. What is your business ?-A. Before I came into Gardner, I used
to work at coopering. I came into Gardner on the 16th of last Februars. My business is working at chopping and farming.
Q. That is, you worked out for anybody who chose to en:plor you! A. When I haven't had work I worked around where I stopped. When anybody wants a cooper for a barrel I do a job for them.
Q. How long hall you been choppirig for Mr. Sanderson at that timelA. I didn't chop for him but a little. We had abont seven cords of wood, two of us.
Q. On the town farm !-A. On the town farm.
Q. Had you worked for Mr. Sanderson at any other time previons to that?-A. I worked for him, I think, two years before that, one day at hasing.
Q. Were others employed by you in chopping ?-A. There was one with me chopping the wood.
Q. Have you ever worked on the poor farm at any other time except this one day when you were having and one day when you were chopping wood for Mr. Sanderson ?-A. Well, repairing barrels.
Q. Were the barrels for the poor-house, the alms-house ?-A. Yes,
Q. That is all that you hare worked there?-A. That is all that I ever worked there on the farm. I bare worked on the roads some, on the highway.
Q. On the towu farm or town roads beside?-. On the town roads beside.
Q. How much ?-A. I worked somewhere about a few days.
Q. Did you lodge at the town farm ?-A. No, sir; some of the time I lodged at Mr. Temple’s and some of the time at auother place, where I boarded.
LEANDER C. LYNDE sworn and examined.
By tbe CHAIRMAN :
Q. Do you know John C. Bryant ?-A. Yes, sir.
Q. How many men does he emplog ?-A. I don't know, but I presume twenty.
Q. Wbat are his politics ?-A. Republican.
Q. Do you know the politics of any of the men employed by him ?A. I know the politics of some of them.
Q. State them.-A. They are Republicans, so far as I know. There may be some Democrats among them.
Q. Wbat did you hear him say previous to the election about the re. sult to his factory if Butler was elezted ?-A. On election day he came to me at the towu-ball (I was at work in General Butler's interest) and advised me to work no more, telling me wbat the result would be if Butler was elected; that he was inside the ring and I was not, and he knew how it would be. What ring he meant you may draw your own ipference. He said that he should close bis factories and discharge bis help.
Q. Was this said publicly ?-A. He said so to me privately on election day. He was at work for Talbot and I was at work for Butler.
Q. Was it where any person else could hear it ?-A. No, sir.