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cases ?-A. Perhaps it would have been, but we had the right to infer that the board would be impartial.

Q. But you say you knew that they were not ?-A. Certainly; I don't know of any means that we had to coerce them.

Q. You had the legal right to ask them ?-A. I hare stated that we asked them in one instance and we got all the satisfaction that we ex. pected to get.

Q. And you desisted !-A. We took no further part except to send men over there; we kept no men stationed there.

Q. As you sent men over, did any one go with thein ?- A. We always sent a man with tbein to take them to headquarters.

Q. Did the man who went with them attend to their cases ?-A. Certainly, as a rule; he would see if Judge Utles was there.

Q. Judge Utley's term has expired 1-A. Yes, sir.

Q. Was any more complaint made of Judge Utley tban of the others ? -A. We had no more complaint of bim tban of the others; he was the leading one.

Q. Was he the chairmau !--A. I think we was; I do not know.

Q. You did not make much effort, then, to get these men upon the list ? -A. We sent our men orer and made these representations ; they do not seem to bave amounted to much.

Q. Had you any belief that the representations were untrue ?-A. I dou't know that they were.

Q. You took no pains in that regaral ?A. No, sir.

Q. Is Worcester a close Republican city ?-A. In close elections Wor. cester is Republican by about fire hundred.

Q. What is the aggregate rote of the citfl-A. Between eight and nine thousand ; in 1876 we cast, I think 1,145 Tilden rotes, aud 4,600 or 4,700 Ilayes votes.

Q. Do you think that that was about the relative strength of the tiro parties I-A. I think it was.

Q. What was the rote for Butler in 1878 ?-A. The rote in 1878 was: for Talbot, 4,300 and something; for Butler, 3,800 and something; for Abbott, 239; and for Miner, something like 150, if I recollect right.

Q. The aggregate rote then was not quite as large as in 1876 1-A. Not quite.

Q. The relative strength, as compared with the vote of 1876, was in favor of the Democrats ?-A. I should say that it was; the vote for Butler was relatively a large one.

Q. The general held his own in the State pretty well, notwithstanding this real or pretended intimidation ?-A. I think he would bave been elected if there bad been none of that.

Q. You think that if the Republican employers bad all gone for him he would hare been elected ?- A. No, sir; I did not say that; I think that if the Republican employers had minded their own business he would have been elected.

Q. You say if they had minded their own business. In regard to that matter, do you know of any specific instance in which a Republican employer did not mind his own business ?-A. I cannot give you the name.

Q. You do not know of any instance mbaterer?-A. No; those things do not happen in such a way that you can particularize them.

Q. Have you any idea that the Republican employers intimidated voters any more than did the managers of the Butler campaign!-A, I have.

Q. How do you account for it tbat if there is no class influence or

race influence or other influence of an intimidating character to keep them so closely united, the Irish vote, as other witnesses have testified. is almost unanimously for General Butler or for the Democratic candidate 1-A. I think that, as a rule, the Irish people rote the Democratic ticket because they believe in Democracy, and that they vote for General Butler because he has invariably, back in Kuow Nothing times particularly, been their friend.

Q. Do you think that every Irishman, on that side, votes as he wishes to without any undue influence from employers or priests or from any source whatever !--A. I have nerer known of any interference with their vote.

Q. You have never heard of any !--A. Never, except as I bare read of some in a Republican paper.

Q. These same rumors or reports of intimidation that you heard from one side you also beard from the other side ?--A. I cannot give ang iustances in either case.

Q. What is the reason why you think there has been intimidation on one side and not on the other -A. For the reason that, particularly in this last election, the employés of Republicans told me that they did not dare to do so and so. I never heard it from the other side.

Q. Did you never hear that Irishmen had failed to vote the Republi. can ticket in many instances because they did not dare to do it I-A. I nerer did.

Q. Then you bare come across a different class of rumors in your time from those I have beard !-A. It may be possible.

Q. The Templeton case is one of which you know nothing except as the parties came to you l-4. Escepting as the parties stated to me.

By Mr. PLATT: Q. I understand you to say that, prerious to the election, you sent out throughout the county of Worcester circulars directed to the local committees asking them to report to you any instance of intimidation on the part of employers. Did you send those generally throughout the county I-A. I sent them to the chairmen of committees in the ninth Congressional district.

Q. They were sent tbrough the district, then ?- A. Yes, sir.

Q. Did that take in more than Worcester County ?-A. It did not take in the whole of Worcester County. It took in the southern part of Worcester County.

Q. Which was in the district of Mr. Rice ?-A. Yes.

Q In response to those, how many instances were brought to your knowledge !--A. By letter, only one; that was the Whitinsville matter; by conversation, the Manchaug matter, the Webster matter, and erideuce from Gardner'which was afterwards, I believe, to be produced. There were quite a number of towns from which men came in to see me personally. The one I have stated is the only one from wbich I have received a written communication. The complaint, however, was very general in the small manufacturing towus.

Q. The proof, so far as you have received information, you under: stand, is that which has been or is to be brought before this committee ? -A. Certainly.

Q. What did you understand to be the name of the speaker at the manufacturers' meeting, to whom you referred !-A. I did not stateany name, por can I ; because the matter was only given in this way, that one of the speakers said so and so.

Q. The name was not given to you at the time !-A. No; but it was said that that was the character of what was said, and it was also said that two manufacturers in Worcester objected to tbat policy.

Q. That was what might be called a rumor about the city ?-A. It was a current report about the city; it was told to me by twenty or thirty different parties.

Q. Whether any speaker ever did say so or not you do not know ?A. I have no evidence; I was told that Mr. J. H. Walker and Mr. Moen demurred to it, that Mr. Walker particularly stated that he would not be a party to any such bulidozing process.

Q. And that was as currently reported as the other, was it not ?-A. Yes, sir.

Q. The name of the party was not given to you!-A. No; it was said that that was the tenor of it, but the names of the parties were not given ; Mr. Walker's and Mr. Moeu's names are the only ones that I re. call in connection with it.

By Mr. BLAIR : Q. What is the business of Mr. Moen ?-A. He is president of the Washburne and Moen Wire Manufacturing Company. There certainly was notbing of tbat kind in Mr. Moen's corporation.

By Mr. PLATT: Q. On the whole, so far as the city of Worcester is concerned, did any specific instances come to your knowledge where employers had threatened their hands before election that in case they did not vote a gamst Butler they would be discharged, or where any one was discharged after the election, because he had not voted against Butler, ex. cept that of the Vaill case?-A. I never heard of any except the Vaill case. I do not think there was in the city of Worcester very much of that done.

Q. What position does Judge Utley now hold ?-A. He is associate justice of the ceutral district.

By Mr. McDonald: Q. How was it, did you say, tbat you secured the registration of Democratic voters who were refused registration by the board on your application ?-A. Our custom was to suggest to them to walk across the street in the course of a day or two, wueu their faces had become less familiar, and see what the effect of their effort would be when made from the other side of the house-tbat is to say, if they went over to the board accompanied by Republican friends.

Q. They were to get some Republican to escort them to the office !A. Yes; from the Republican headquarters.

Q. In that way you discovered “a northwest passage” through the registry I-A. Exactly.

Q. You were asked whether if the manufacturers had all roted for Butler, in your opinion, he would not have been elected. I will ask you what you think would have been the result if the manufacturers had permitted their employés to vote according to the wishes of the em. ployés ?-A. I think that General Butler would have been elected.

Q. But for the influence brought to bear by the manufacturers upon their help ?-A. I think that that was the cause of our losing hundreds of votes in every factory village, or in nearly every one. I will not say every oue, because there were instances that I knew of where manufac. turers could not or would not do anytbing of the kind.

Q. Obtain their votes under fears of discbarge -A. I think that a great many of them voted under fears of discharge.

By the CHAIRMAN: Q. Wbo were these men who were in charge of the registry there?-A. Mr. Utley, Mr. Clark, and one other, whose name I forget. Mr. Utley was formerly a law student of George F. Hoar. Mr. Clark is chairman of the board of assessors of the city. The other may or may not bave been Mr. Ely.

Q. Are the towns of Templeton and Whitinsville in Worcester County ?-A, Yes, sir; both of them.

JONATHAN A. PERHAN sworn and examined.

By the CHAIRMAN: Question. Where do you live?-Answer. In the town of Ashburn. bai, Middlesex County.

Q. Where did you live in the fall of 18781-A. In Gardner, Worcester County.

Q. Where did you vote in the fall of 18781-A. In Gardner.

Q. How far is that from the city of Worcester I-A. About thirty miles, I judge.

Q. Do you know a Mr. Newell ?-A. I do. He boarded with me last fall.

Q. Give his politics.-A. He was a Democrat.

Q. What is his first namel-A. I think he called his name ".Warren”; but I am not positive about that.

Q. What are your politics ?-A. My politics bare been Democratic. Q. You were for whom !-A. I was for Butler last fall.

Q. What conversation had you with this man Newell about voting, and what consideration, if any, was expressed as to how he ought to vote.-A. He came into the house, two or three nights before the election

NOTE.-Mr. Platt here objected, but upon ascertaining subsequently that the whereabouts of Newell were apparently unknown, withdrew the objection.

The WITNESS (continuing). He took out of his pocket a roil of bank. bills, threw them on the table and said, “ There's fifty dollars, given to me at the bank this morning to buy votes. If you will vote for Talbot, you shall have ten dollars of it; if you will keep away from the polls and not vote at all, you shall have fire.”

Q. Was Newell a Republican !-A. He was a Democrat.

Q. What did you say I-A. I told him that I should not do it.
Q. You did not take the money ?-A. I did not.

Q. What did he say about anything of that kind as to other people?A. He said he bad got several, and that he was going to see another one that night.

Q. At wbat bank did be say he had got this money?-A. Up at the National Bank.

By Mr. BLAIR: Q. That is in the town of Gardner !-A. Tbat is what I understood; and that there was more there ready for bim when this was gone ; tbat it was furnished to him for this business.

By the CHAIRMAN: Q. On what day was this ?-A. It was a few days before the election. I should say about three days before.

Q. Had this man Newell been an active Democrat?-A. He talked like that.

Q. Was he active after be bad this money up until the election ?-A, He was; very.

Q. For Talbot, or to stop ballots for Butler ?-A. Yes.

By the CHAIRMAN: Q. Was he at the polls on the election day?-A. He was there in the house.

Q. Do you know how he voted ?-d. I think he did not vote at all ; that he was not a voter there.

Q. Do you know where he came from ?-A. I understood him to say that he was a voter here in the city of Boston.

Q. Do you know in what ward 1-A. I do not.

Q. How long had be been at Gardner?-A. He came to Gardner some. where in July, I should say. I cannot say positively as to time.

Q. What was his business !-A. He was a carpenter.

Q. Was he a married or a single man ?-A. He had been a married man. He was then a single map.

Q. Do you know of anybody who was bought by him ?-A, I do not.

Q. Do you know wbat had been the vote of Gardner before tbatiA. I do not.

By Mr. PLATT : Q. Do you know where this man Newell is now !-A. I do not. I have not seen him since last fall.

Q. How long did you stay in Gardner ? Did you stay after the election ?-A. I staid there until this spring. I tbink it was in June that I moved.

Q. Did Mr. Newell remain in Gardner as long as you did ?--A. No, sir; he left inmediately after the election, or pot a great while after.

Q. Did he appear to be a sane man ?-A. I never saw anything to the contrary.

Q. Do you think that any sane man would do what you say that he did ?-A. I could not tell you as to that.

Q. What had been your acquaintance with him up to that time!-A. He bad boarded with me from the time he came into towu up to the time that he left town, or a little before it.

Q. Do you know where in Boston he came from ?-A. I do not. He told me the street, but I do not remember it.

Q. Can you give us any information by which you think we might be able to find bim now ?--A. He told me that he had a son in one of the banks here, and I think be said that the son was cashier of the bank ; but which bank it was I cannot tell you.

Q. How old a man was he?-A. I should think about fifty-five or sixty, somewhere along there.

Q. What is your age ?-A. Fifty-eight years.
Q. What is your business ?-A. Stone-cutter.

Q. He knew you were a Democrat, did he not l-A. He knew that I was a Butler man last fall, and that I was going to vote for Butler.

Q. He knew you had been a Democrat previously ?-A. I don't know that he knew anything about what I had been.

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