work and able to work, and that the only thing was just for talking about and saying that I would vote for General Butler. I thought I had as good a right to get a job on the government work as the men who were working there, men who never paid any taxes, and had no claim to it. I am just as entitled to get a job there as those who are bosses there. Q. How many days' work did you have?-A. Twenty-one or twentytwo.

Q. Were your sons working there?-A. No, sir; I don't have them at that business. My sons never worked for the like of them.

Q. Was anybody else discharged when you were?-A. There were others, but they were all strangers to me there, and I didn't know a man, except one or two.

Q. Were those men who were discharged Democrats or Republicans?—A. I heard them say they were for General Butler. I don't know whether they were Democrats, or what they were.

By Mr. PLATT:

Q. Who employed you?-A. Mr. Brown, the superintendent. It was to him that I had the letter.

Q. Upon a letter from Mr. Leopold Morse, the Democratic candidate for Congress? A. Yes, sir.

Q. He was in Congress at the time and had been nominated for an other term? A. Yes, sir.

Q. Mr. Brown employed you at the request of Mr. Morse?—A. Yes. Q. When he employed you he knew pretty well that you were a Democrat?-A. I understood so.

Q. Where had you worked last before you were employed on the post-office building?—A. I had been idle for some time. I could not get any employment, or but very little.

Q. How long had you been idle?—A. I had been idle those two last

summers.

Q. So that up to the time you were employed on the post-office building, you had been idle two summers, except as you got a job here and there?-A. Exactly.

Q. What did you do on the post-office building?-A. I worked at every part of it. We were sinking stone for the foundation.

Q. Were you a laborer or a mason?-A. A laborer. I worked on the derrick and cleaned brick-anything I would be put at.

Q. Who discharged you?-A. The timekeeper.

Q. What is his name?-A. Manley.

Q. Did he give any reason for discharging you?—A. He gave no reaAfter the day's work he came in and called me and some men and said we were discharged. He assigned no reason.

son.

Q. Did any man tell you you were going to be discharged?—A. No, sir; not until that very time. We thought that we were going to have a good spell of it, as I knew Congressman Morse and didn't expect to be discharged so soon.

Q. Did you know Foley ?-A. No.

Q. Do you know that he was discharged at the same time?—A. Seem ingly he was. I got a letter from Mr. Estey about two months ago. They heard something about this and Mr. Loomis promised me a job for two months past, but I didn't get the work and suppose I never will. Q. Who were the five others who were discharged when you were ?— A. They were all strangers to to me.

Q. Were you not discharged at the time Kiliduff was?-A. Yes, sir. Q. That was the 29th of October?-A. Yes, sir; late in the evening.

Q. Was it not two weeks before the election ?-A. No, sir; according to my judgment, it was the 29th of October.

Q. It was the same evening on which Killduff was discharged ?—A. Yes, sir; the very same evening.

Q. Did anybody ask you to go to Hadley's office and make an affidavit?-A. I went up to General Butler's office.

Q. Did anybody ask you to go there?-A. Killduff and I went together there.

Q. Did anybody ask you to go to Hadley's office ?--A. I met Killduff and I went with him. I thought I had as good a right to vindicate my own case as he had his.

Q. Did you get any pay for your affidavit ?-A. No, sir.

Q. Did anybody but Killduff ask you to go up to General Butler's office?-A. No, sir.

Q. Who asked you for whom you were going to vote for governor? A. That is more than I could tell you. I didn't know a man who worked on the post-office building only one or two. We always worked together but we were strangers to each other; they would ask, "Who are you going to vote for," and I would speak up and say, "General Butler, and I will get him as many votes as I can."

Q. Mr. Brown, nor Mr. Manley, nor Mr. Estey never asked you for whom you were going to vote?—A. No, sir.

By Mr. McDONALD :

Q. You had been a soldier when you gave Brown that recommendation?-A. Yes, sir.

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Q. And they knew you were a soldier when they discharged you ?— A. That is more than I can tell you. I didn't tell them that I was. never told him I was in the army, but only gave him the letter and got the work.

Q. Mr. Morse knew that you had been in the army?-A. Yes, I told him I was in the army.

Q. In his letter, did Mr. Morse recommend you as having been a soldier?-A. That is more than I can say. I just gave it in. I was telling the men when we worked together that I was in the army.

Q. It was known, then, on the post-office building that you had been a soldier?-A. It was known among a great many of them, I suppose. I used to express myself that I had been there.

Q. (By Mr. PLATT.) What is your age?-A. I think about 57 or 58 years; something about that.

Q. (By the CHAIRMAN.) You can do a day's work yet?-A. I can, sir.

MARTIN O'CONNOR Sworn and examined.

By the CHAIRMAN:

Question. Where did you live in October, 1878-Answer. In Cambridgeport.

Q. For whom did you work?—A. Thomas Howland.

Q. At what business?-A. Setting steam-boilers.

Q. What conversation had you with your employer before the election about politics?-A. Nothing.

Q. What talk, if any, had you with him on the day of election about voting-A. At noon time, the dinner hour, I went up to the ward-room and voted. When I got back, about twenty minutes before one o'clock,

I sat down on a log of wood there and he came right over to me and said to me, "If I knew that you voted for that man, I would discharge you right away." I replied, "You don't mean that, Mr. Howland?" "Yes, I do," he said. I said, "I think I have a right vote for whatever man I have a mind to vote for. I don't think you have any right to interfere with me in my vote." Those are all the words that passed between us. I went to work at one o'clock, worked until six, and after six o'clock, he came to me and told me he did not want me in his service any longer. Q. Did you work for him any longer?—A. No, sir.

Q. He discharged you?-A. Yes, sir.

Q. To what man did he refer when he spoke of voting for "that mau"?—A. Mr. Butler.

Q. This occurred on the day of the election, after you had voted ?— A. Yes, sir.

Q. What are the politics of Mr. Howland ?-A. He is a Republican.

By Mr. BLAIR:

Q. Are you a Democrat or Republican?-A. I always voted the straight Democratic ticket until last fall. I made up my mind last fall that I would vote for Mr. Butler.

Q. You had no talk with your employer until after you had voted ?— A. No, sir.

Q. No one said anything to you about it until after you had voted ?— A. No one.

Q. Give his full name and residence.-A. He lives in Cambridgeport. I do not know in what street. I think it is on Norfolk street.

Q. Is he living now?-A. I do not know. I didn't feel put out any about it-that is, about his discharging me-at the time. I never should have reported it here until a man reported it, because I thought I could get a living without him or his work. A man reported it here, and then I was summoned.

By the CHAIRMAN:

Q. You did not report it here, but some one else did?-A. Yes, sir. By Mr. BLAIR:

Q. What is Mr. Howland's business?-A. He is a bricklayer by trade. He was employed in bossing over a gang of men here.

Q. You do not know whether he is alive or dead, or anything about that?—A. I know of his being sick lately, but I don't know whether he is dead or alive.

Q. Had be other workmen ?-A. Yes, sir.

By Mr. PLATT:

Q. Did he carry on business himself?-A. No, sir; he was only employed for Mr. Edward Reardon.

Q. What is his business?-A. He manufactures oil and soap. He is a manufacturer, and has a great many hands at work.

DANIEL A. MCCARTY Sworn and examined.

By the CHAIRMAN:

Question. Where do you live?-Answer. In precinct twelve, ward one, Boston.

Q. What position had you at the November election of 1878 ?—A. I was United States supervisor.

Q. What were your instructions from the chief?-A. He gave us a list of names to verify to see if they were those of voters.

Q. Did you do it?-A. Yes, sir.

Q. How?-A. By personal knowledge of some, by interviewing the

rest.

Q. You went around and interviewed them ?-A. Yes, sir.

Q. Did you make return of that list ?-A. Yes, sir.

Q. How many men were on the list when you got it?-A. I should think that on the first list for the precinct there were about 400.

[The answer of the witness was 1,700, but by way of explanation, at a subsequent point, he stated that he had given this number as the total of names for the ward, and corrected his answer so as to read as here given.]

Q. When you had verified the list and made your report, what number of names were marked upon it as those of persons who could not be identified by you as entitled to vote? I speak of the last corrected list. -A. Three, I believe.

Q. What did the supervisor say about that?-A. He said he did not think I had done my duty. I asked him in what respect, and he said there were more people down there in that district who could not vote than were marked.

Q. Had you done the work carefully and thoroughly investigated as to those names ?-A. I did the work as I understood it.

Q. Was anything said about the small number of names marked on your list when you came to get your pay?-A. When I went into the office to get my pay, I found he had four days marked to my credit. I asked him what that was for. He said for service as supervisor. I told him I wanted ten days at least. He said I could not get it. I then waited upon Mr. Hallett and he said he thought that four days would pay me well enough. I told him I had done as much work as I would have done if I had had five thousand names marked. He said it didn't make any difference, that that was pay enough.

Q. What was the fact as to the time occupied by you in the verification of the list? Had you done the work in four days, or had it taken more time?-A. Counting the number of hours of work, I think it took me from fourteen to fifteen days.

Q. Did those three men whose names were checked present themselves to vote on election day?—A. No, sir.

Q. Was any person arrested in that precinct on that day?-A. No, sir.

Q. Did anything unusual occur in your ward on election day?—A. No, sir; it was as quiet as it could be.

Q. State whether you have been conversant with election matters in Boston for some years?-A. I have.

Q. Have you been an officer of elections frequently?-A. Yes, sir. Q. From your knowledge of your locality, state what in your judg ment was the condition of the lists that were made up by the registrars upon which voting was to be done at the last November election. Were they imperfect or were they correct?-A. I should think that they were as correct as those of any other ward in Boston.

Q. State whether or not, from what you know of the subject of your own knowledge, those lists for the ward as a whole were correct in containing the names of men residing in the ward who were entitled to vote and omitting those who were not entitled to vote?-A. I will have to say that the list was as good as any list we could get up.

Q. What is your judgment as to the necessity for the employment of

men in the capacity in which you were employed last year?-A. I do not think they are needed in Boston.

Q. Do you think that the law of the State of Massachusetts as administered in Boston, so far as your experience goes, has procured and is able to insure a perfectly honest list and one under which an honest and pure election can be obtained here ?—A. I think it is as good a list as can be got here in Boston. I do not think there are any fraudulent names upon it to any extent.

By Mr. BLAIR:

Q. You are a Democrat?-A. At present, yes, sir.

Q. How long have you been a Democrat ?-A. Five years.

Q. You were one of the Democrats who were appointed as supervisor on the recommendation of Mr. Hallett?-A. I was recommended by the Democratic ward committee.

Q. You spent some fourteen or fifteen days in that work?-A. Probably more.

Q. How many names had you upon the list in the first place ?—A. The list when completed comprised somewhere about two thousand

names.

Q. That is, the list for the entire ward?--A. The list for the entire ward.

Q. Had you supervision of the entire list or of but one precinct?-A. Of but one preciuct.

Q. There was a Republican supervisor for your precinct?—A. Yes, sir.

Q. In pursuing your inquiries, did you and he act separately, each on his own account?-A. I never saw him from the time we got our books until we reported downstairs in this building.

Q. He went one way and you another?-A. Yes, sir.

Q. Do you know for how many days he was paid?-A. I do not. Q. He went over the same list that you went over?-A. He must have.

Q. You went over the whole of your list ?-A. I went over the whole of my list.

Q. You have no doubt that he did also?—A. None.

Q. You do not know whether you received the same pay that he did or not?-A. No, sir; I finally obtained seven days' pay by order of the court.

Q. You feel that the chief supervisor hardly allowed you enough?-A. I am sure he did not.

Q. You referred your matter to the court, the same as he did in these other disputed cases, did you not ?-A. No, I do not think he referred it to the court. We obtained counsel, applied to the judge, and he allowed us seven days' pay.

Q. Do you not think that Mr. Hallett advised that amount of pay?— A. No, sir; he did not.

Q. Do you know whether he did or not?-A. I do not think he did. Q. You did not hear his testimony on that point?-A. No, sir.

By Mr. PLATT:

Q. Did you have the whole ward to examine-A. No, sir; only precinct twelve, ward one.