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Q. In wbat mill was hel-A. He was in the cotton-mill, I think.
Q. Did be say for whom his overseer bad told him to vote!-A. No, sir.
Q. Did he say against whom his overseer told him to vote!-A. He told him to vote the envelope.
Q. Do you know how he did vote !-A. No, sir; I could not tell which envelope be put in.
Q. Were all the envelopes in which the men put their ballots actually open when the men put them in ?-A. I could not say.
Q. Did you notice whether some of them were sealed ?-A. Yes; some of them were sealed.
Q. What was the statement of the men who were connected with the club in regard to their political sentiments and their freedom of action ? -A. I never talked much with many of them after the elections, but I kuow they were all earnest Butler men before the election.
Q. What is the proportion of Democrats in the mills to Republicans among the voters ?-A. I should think that in the mills the Demo. crats are in the majority.
By Mr. BLAIR: Q. In what mill did Thomas Sherlock work ?-A. I think it was the woolen-mill.
Q. What is your business I-A. I am a marble and granite dealer.
Q. What are your politics ?-A. At present I am a Greenbacker; I have been a Democrat.
Q. What were your politics last fall 1-A. Greenbacker.
Q. Previous to that you acted with the Democratic party !-A. Yes, sir.
Q. Do you not consider your party as really the Democratic party of this State now 1-A. No, sir.
Q. Was General Butler the Democratic candidate last year 1-A. He was so considered.
Q. You were acting with the Democratic party last autumn, were you noti-A, I was acting with them.
Q. You were acting not as a Democrat but as a Greenback Demo. crat 1-A. Yes, sir.
Q. There were two divisions or factions in the Democratic party last year 1-A. Yes, sir; in this State.
Q. And the only thing they differed upon was the currency I-A. The only thing they differed upon in this State was General Butler.
Q. Then it was on the Butler question rather than on the Greenback question that you left your party, was it 1-A. No, sir.
Q. You support now tbe wing of the Democracy that is Butler-Greenback ?-A. Yes, sir.
Q. I understand you to say, you never worked for the corporations.A. That is so.
Q. Wbat corporations in Webster employ belp!-A. The Slater Woolen Company, tbe Slater Cotton Company, and the Slater Manu. facturing Company. They are all owned by one concern or one family. Q. Taking the three together, how many operatives do they bire ?A. They hire quite a number; I could not say how many.
Q. About how many; you can make it a little more detinite than that, can you not?-A. I should'say they employ from twelve to fifteen hun. dred hands.
Q. Of what nativities are those employés ?—A. They are mostly French and Irish.
Q. Which is in the larger proportion, the French or the Irish ?-A. They are about evenly divided; I could not say which is the larger.
Q. Wbat as to the political sentiments of the Irish ?-A. They are, or have been, Democrats, a large majority of them.
Q. The proportion of those of opposite politics would be one in ten of the Irisb, would it not ! - A. Not more than that.
Q. Do you think there are more than one in twenty ?-A. I do not think there are more than one in twents.
Q. Do you think there is one in twenty who is really a Republican A. Not over that, certainly.
Q. Would you be willing to swear that the proportion is as small as one in one hundred who is a Republican 1-A. No; I would not swear to it any way, because I do not know but one or two Irish Republicans in the wbole town.
Q. How many Irish voters are there in the whole town?-A. I do not know.
Q. About how many would you judge?-A. I should judge there were almost two hundred.
Q. How many Irish voters are there in these three mills ?-A. I could not say.
Q. How many French voters are there in these mills !-A. Very few. There are very few French voters in the town.
Q. Of the French operatives, then, very few are citizens !--A. Very few, comparatively.
Q. Nearly all the foreigu vote is Irish, is it not !-A. Yes, sir; and German.
Q. How many German voters are there in the whole town !-A. From forty to filty, I should think.
Q. Do many of the Germans work for these mills, or for any of these corporations ?--A. Yes, sir.
Q. All of them ?-A. Not all of them.
Q. Wbat are the political sentiments of the Germans, as a rule; Demo. cratic also ?-A. No; they are about evenly divided, I should say.
Q. About balf voted for Butler and the other half for Talboti-A. I think more than half voted for Talbot.
Q. You speak of this large proportion of Irish being Democrats; why do you say that I-A. Because I judge them to be so.
Q. Of the Irishmen, you say, as I understand you, you would judge that pineteen out of every twenty voted the Democratic ticket I-A. I should tbink as ipany as that.
Q. You have lived in the town twelve years ?-A. Not in Webster. I have lived in the adjoining town part of the time.
Q. Near by these mills 1-A. Right across the river.
Q. So that you have known the political status there for the last twelve years 1-A. No; I have not known the political status for that length of time.
Q. How long have you knowu that?--A. For the last four years.
for the reason that it has voted that way, and to your knowledge has so voted. Now the Irish help constitute the great mass of the help in these mills, do they not?-A. No, sir; I think there are more of French help in the mills than of Irish.
Q. But the help who are able to vote are mostly Irish, are they not? A. Yes, sir.
Q. The French are, perhaps, not naturalized; or, perhaps, are careless, or are minors; how is that?-A. No; they are men who, as a rule, do not take an interest in getting naturalized and do not get naturalized.
Q. They are men wbo simply come to earn something and go home again to Canada, where they came from ?-A. Yes, sir.
Q. As a rule, then, the belp vote pretty much as they please, do they not? They all vote one way and against their employers ? There cannot be much intimidation there, it during the last four years nineteentwentieths of the help voted the Democratic ticket and the managers have all been Republicans, as you describe !-A. Yes, they have mostly voted so except last fall.
Q. There was a peculiar state of affairs bere last autumn ?-A. There was in Webster.
Q. You bare read the papers--you look like a man who does; it was so througbout the State, was it not ?-A. Yes, sir.
Q. Would you undertake to say that, as a rule, there is a great deal of intimidation of their employés by employers in the State of Massa: chusetts in regard to the ballot ?-A. I should not want to undertake to say it was a rule because it was done for one year.
Q. Very true, and you could hardly say that, after testifying that pineteen out of every twenty of the Irish employés had voted against their employers 1-A, I do not say that they voted against their employers.
Q. You have testified that the employers were Republicans, have you not ?--A. Yes, sir.
Q. They have voted against tbem, as a rule. That was so until last autumn. Now what proportion of the Irish vote do you know was for Talbot last autumn 1-A. I do not know.
Q. Do you you think that Talbot got one in ten of the Irish vote in your town last fall !-A. He got more thau that, I should think ; yes, he got more than one in ten.
Q. But the Democratic party was itself divided last autumn, was it not !- A. Yes, sir.
Q. Do you not think that some men may have voted for Talbot last autumn who had formerly been Democrats from a feeling of disgust at the position in which the Democratic Party found itself -A. There were some who thought so.
Q. That might have made this difference in the vote without any com. pulsion being used after all ?-A. It was not enough to make the difference.
Q. You think there must have been a little intimidation, do you l-A. Yes.
Q. Was that demonstrated very largely by the discharge of workmen after the election ?-A. Not that I know of.
Q. You do not know much about that ?--A. I know nothing of men being discharged.
Q. Do you know of any Irishmen who voted for Abbott!-A. I know of either three or four in the whole town who voted for Abbott.
Q. Will you not explain bow it happened that the Irish vote was so largely for Butler last autumn ! Butler is a Republicav, is he not ?A. He was.
Q. Is he not one of the strongest Republicans in the State of Massachusetts to-day 9-A. I do not think so.
Q. Do rou think General Butler has changed his politics within a few years ?-A. Yes, sir.
Q. Wherein ?-A. I should think that General Butler was a Greenbacker.
Q. Did not General Butler deliver one of the strongest Greenback speeches in 1868 1-A. Yes, sir.
Q. And does be not, or do his friends not, claim tbat he has been entirely consistent in tbis Greenback theory within the last ten years ? A. Bis friends claim that.
Q. You have read bis speeches, have you not 1-A, Yes, sir.
Q. Then do you not know that be is the father of the Greenback theory in this countrs ?-A. I do not know for a certainty whether he is or pot.
Q. You do not claim that General Butler has changed his political sentiments, do you ?-A. Yes; I do.
Q. In this Greenback matter? I am afraid you are not read up very thoroughly ou tbis Greenback theory as he gives it to us bimself. You do not claim that General Butler is any less a Republican as a Greenbacker than any other Republican 1-A. No.
Q. Is not the fact this, tbat you, or rather the Democratic party, have changed instead of General Butler ? In other words, are you not voting for the most stalwart Republican in the whole country now, so far as the currency question is concerned 1-A. I do not look upon him as a stal. wart Repablican ; you may.
Q. What is the name of the overseer who gave Sherlock his ticket?A. I do not know.
Q. Of which mill was he overseer -A. I think it is the cotton-mill.
Q. Which cotton-unill? Is there more than one -A. There is one woolen-mill and one cotton-mill, and one that is a print works.
Q. Is this overseer there still !---A. I know all the overseers, but I do uot know which of them it was who gave it to him.
Q. You do not know with certainty in which mill Sherlock works !-A. I think it is the cotton-mill.
M. J. McCAFFERTY sworn and examined.
By tbe (HAIRMAN :
Q. Do you know anything in reference to a meeting of employers of labor or of manufacturers in Webster iu October of last year; and, if 80, state it.-A. I was told that there was a meeting of employers for the purpose of political action at Webster. I bad made some allusion to the fact during the campaign, and, after its close, I met at the postoffice Judge din Thayer (who bas been a witness bere), who told me that tbey had had a meeting; that Mr. Crompton was at the meeting, and that if he [Crompton should say that anything wrong was done, be (Thayer would confess that be bad done something wrong. He referred me to Mr. Crompton, and that was all the conversation there was between us, as I made no further inquiries.
Q. Did you talk with Mr. Crompton about tbe meeting?-A. No.
Q. Did you talk with any of the other gentlemen who were at the meeting about it I-A. I had a talk with Mr. John D. Washburne (the witness), in which I told him I thought it was an outrage to call employers together and invoke that relation against the employed by way of intimidating the employé in his voting. Mr. Washburne, silently assenting for a minute, replied, “That is a difference of opinion between you and me.” That con versation was also atter the election, and at my office.
Q. Did you have a conversation with any of the others l-A. I had no conversation that I remember of with any of the others.
Q. What was the fact as to the effect of the action of these employ. ers ?-A. It was perceptible in the conduct of many people. When the petition, if I may so call it, or letter, that was circulated, was being generally signed inviting General Butler to be a candidate, there was a very geveral enthusiasm among the Democracy in favor of his nomination; ju fact, it seemed to me that the Democracy had gone off, of their own motion, to make the nomination. I mean, when I say “the Democracy," the mass of the voters of that party. At tbat time I found many men very enthusiastic and ready to make any sort of legitimate effort for the purpose of making General Butler's nomination a success. After the time at which the iutimidation was talked about, many of these people seemed to grow cold. I have been informed that many of them did not vote, and I know of one of them who voted for Judge AbbottI did not see him vote, but I am so informed- who was quite an enthusiast for General Butler at the opening of the campaign.
Q. Were you counsel for Mr. Terrence Kennedy in the case of the Mauchaug corporation against him ?-A. I was.
Q. When was that proceeding commenced !-A. I could not give you the date. I remember there were two proceedings. The first one was brought in the name of the corporation itself without notice and without right. The consequence was that when the return day came, find. ing that the man had not moved, they brought landlord and tenaut process in their own name. They failed to make an appear ince, and had an adjudication for costs. I bave not the record here, and of course this is not the proper mode of proving the fact.
By Mr. McDONALD: Q. You may state the termination of that suit.-A. The termination of that suit was judgment against them for costs. I understood from Mr. Bacon (of the firm of Hopkins & Bacon), who acted for them, that, upon their bringing in the writ to have it entered, they found upon ex. amination it was of no use. They then made a lease of their premises to a third party, who gave notice of his lease, wben they brought another action, in order to eject Kennedy, I entered an appearance in that case upon the return day, and after stating to Mr. Bacon what I believed the transaction to be, namely, the bulldozing of a man on ac. count of his vote, Mr. Bacon repudiating any sympathy with such a proceeding, I said to him that on a given day he might have judgment without costs for possession. Mr. Bacon agreed to take that judgment. That, of course, allowed the man to remain and vote. He would otherwise have been obliged to remove into Connecticut, and would thereby have lost his vote. To sum it up, the result was that the man was allowed to remain and vote, and whether Mr. Bacon ever took an exe.