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Q. You think of one other, but I understand you you cannot give the name now 1-A. Yes, sir; I think of several others.

Q. Can you give any of the names -A. No, sir; I cannot.

Q. When did this occur?-A. It occurred at different times. It didn't occur in 1878, but some part of it has occurred since, but of course in local elections.

Q. When will you be able to give us the names ?-A. I cannot say.

Q. Are you likely to do it at all ?-A. I might refresh my memory when I return home and do so.

Q. That is what we would like to bave you do, because facts are what we are after, and when you cannot give a fact or a circumstance that is susceptible of explanation, but merely these general statements, no opportunity is offered to reply to or to explain them.-A. I have not made general statements; I have made statements of fact, and when you have pressed me for statements that were not facts I have qualified them.

Q. I have asked you for specific instances. If these parties whom you accuse are thereby accused of crime, they are entitled to come here and explain the facts in self defense. My object is to bring out the facts so that the parties charged may have an opportunity to explain them, and if they cannot, then they will stand convicted. I have pressed the inquiry because you seem to resent my asking you for facts.

The WITNESS. Mr. Chairman, I believe I have made specific statements and have not made general staternents.

The CHAIRMAN. You will endeavor to answer the questions of the Senator so far as you may be able to do so. When he asks you a ques. tion, answer it categorically, and then if you desire to explain make your explanation.

The WITNESS. Yes, sir. Now I consider that I have been informed of this state of things by operatives. They say that some employer, some overseer

Mr. BLAIR. I object to the witness proceeding.
The Chairman sustained the objection,

The WITNESS (when about retiring) remarked: If I made the statement that an employé was discharged for voting, I would correct it by saying that it was bis children who were discharged from tbe mill, and tbat he himself was turned from his house for voting.

By Mr. BLAIR:
Q. That was by Mr. Chase -A. I could not tell.

Q. It was by what concern ?-A. By this same Manchang corporation.

By Mr. McDONALD: Q. What do tbey manufacture ?-A. Cotton goods, what is known in the market as “The Fruit of the Loom." : Q. The children of the operative you refer to were employed in the factory as factory operatives 1-A. Yes, sir.

By Mr. BLAIR :
Q. I understand you to say that the man himself is here and will
testify ?-A. I do not know about bis testifying. He is here.
JOHN W. LORING sworn and examined.

By the CHAIRMAN:
Question. Wbere do you reside !-Answer. In Worcester.

Q. Are you a manufacturer -A. I am a manufacturer and connected with a corporation of which I am general superintendent.

Q. What is the name of it?-A. The Loring and Blake Organ Manufacturing Company.

Q. Were you called upon, last October, by Mr. John D. Washburne, in reference to the action of the employers of labor at a meeting held at Mr. Washburne's office; and, if so, what conversation had you in reference to the subject matter of that meeting 1-A. Mr. Washburne did not call upon me personally; he called at the office and inquired for Mr. Woodford, who has charge of the office, and is the clerk and treas. urer. That gentleman being out of town that day, I asked Mr. Washburne if he wanted to see him upon any business of the company. He replied that it was not business of the company; that he was going by, and thought he would step in and see how our men were on Butlerism. I informed him that that was a thing that I did not interest myself about with regard to my men; that I did not hire my men on account of their politics or religious views, or where they visited at night, but that it was the ten hours, nothing more, that I required of them.

Q. What did he say, if anything, as to what he wanted done?-A. That which I have given is the substance of the conversation that I had with him.

Q. Who was Mr. Woodford ?-A. He was formerly a Western man, who, two years ago last January, was made clerk and treasurer of the corporation.

Q. What are Mr. Woodford's politics ?-A. He is a Republican.

Q. How many men do you employ ?-A. We have from sixty to sevepty men.

Q. How near to your factory is Mr. Vaill's place ?—A. I think from tbirty to thirty-five feet.

Q. How many men does Mr. Vaill employ ?-A. I should say about the same number that we employ. I do not kpow the number.

Q. Do you know of any talk between your men and Mr. Vaill's men in regard to intimidation -A. I have heard the men discussing that question, or the question of politics, between shop and shop, but never heard it to take any interest in it myself, or to discuss the matter at all.

Q. What was the subject-matter of their conversation ?-A. The general result of the election ; nothing definite that I could state.

Q. Was anything said in regard to what they were required to do on the one side or the other, or as to whether they were perfectly free in their action 1-A. I could not say that there was..

Q. Was anytbing said that you heard in those conversations as to whether Mr. Vaill's men were required to vote as their employers desired them I-A. I have heard our men express those views.

Q. In conversation with Mr. Vaill's men -A. Not in conversation with Mr. Vaill's men.

Q. At another time?-A. At another time. I cannot say that I have ever heard Mr. Vaill's men and our own men discuss the thing as a body of men. A Mr. Barrett runs the engine for Mr. Vaill-we take our power that runs the shop a great deal from Mr. Vaill's—and I have heard what you might call “ blackguarding” backwards and forwards, but nothing that I committed to memory at all.

Q. Did you ever hear any of those men of Mr. Vaill's say they were going to vote for Butler!-A. I did not.

By Mr. McDONALD: Q. Your men were left free of political influence to act as they pleased ?

-A. If a man in my employ should vote merely to please me, I would not have any confidence in him; if he had not independence to vote as he saw fit, I should not want him as an employé of mine.

Q. It is understood in your establishment that in the matter of poli. tics every man talks as he pleases and votes as be pleases ?--A. Yes, sir.

Q. You say that you took your power from Mr. Vaill's engine -A. Yes, sir.

Q. Were the men working in Mr. Vaill's establishment on the same footing, in respect to their political rights and their freedom in exercising them, and in expressing their opinions, that your men were ?-A. I could not say. I can relate only one instance in which I have heard the men talk Mr. Blair objected.

By Mr. McDONALD : Q. It was well understood that your factory stood upon that footing, was it not?-A. Yes, sir.

Q. What was it that Mr. Washburne said to you when he called in to see Mr. Woodford ?-A. When he inquired for Mr. Woodford, in the first place, I told him that Mr. Woodford was out of town, introduced myself, asked him if he had business with the company, and said that if he had, I would attend to it. He said he had no business with the company; that he was merely going by, and bad called in to see how our men stood on Butlerism.

Q. How they stood on “ Butlerism”?-A. That was the word he used.

Q. He did not seem to have a desire to interrogate the men on that subject, but to see Mr. Woodford on the subject?-A. His object was to see Mr. Woodford.

Q. Did Mr. Woodford take a pretty active part in politics ?-A. He did not.

Q. He was known to be a Republican and an anti-Butler man !-A. He was known to be a Republican and an anti-Butler man.

Q. When he left your establishment, did Mr. Washburne go from there to Mr. Vaill's establishment!-A. I could not say which way he went when he passed out of the office.

By Mr. BLAIR: Q. The friends of the different candidates were pretty active last autum, were they not?-A. I think they were.

Q. It was a very sharp, botly contested campaign, was it not ?-A. It was, as far as I know. I did not take an active part myself.

Q. Do you vote?-A. I do.

Q. Are you a Republican ?-A, I am a Republican. I voted the Butler ticket last fall, and intend to do so this fall if General Butler is a candidate.

TERRENCE KENNEDY storn and examined.

By THE CHAIRMAN :
Question. Where do you live !--Answer. In Manchaug village.

Q. In whose house were you living in the fall of 1878 1-A. I lived in a house belonging to the Manchaug Manufacturing Company,

Q. Were any of your family employed by that corporation ?-A. Yes,

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Q. How many and when ?-A. At that time and for three years previous ; some for a longer and some for a less period. At that time I had three nieces and a son there.

Q. Did your nieces live with you ?-A. Yes, sir; they boarded with me.

Q. Where was your house ?-A. I lived in what they call the middle row, number 13, in Manchaug village, right in front of the new mill.

Q. Who was the superintendent of the corporation ?-A. Mr. Robert McArthur. He is generally called " agent” of the mill; there is no superintendent; he signs his name 6. Robert McArthur, agent."

Q. Has he a brother John there?-A. Yes.

Q. What is his position 1-A. He is not in any position, but merely takes an account of stock ; that is, if it is cotton or coal he weighs it.

Q. How long did you reside up there ?-A. I left four days after the fall election, when Butler was not elected. I was not to blame for that.

Q. Up to what time were your pieces and son employed by the Manchaug corporation ?-A. The day that Mr. Thayer, Mr. Mellen, and Mr. Waters applied for the hall, I was at work until night, when I came bome.

Q. You were not working for the corporation ?-A. I was not work. ing for the corporation, but I was active in the campaign. I distributed all the campaign documents to everybody. I was one of the signers of the Batler call and one of the vice-presidents of the Butler club. I contributed two or three dollars to the Butler flag raising, when we were going to have a good time. Mr. Waters, who had asked for the hall, came to my house when I was not at bome; my wife told me of his being there. Immediately after this, a notice came from the mill that I must vacate my tenement within two weeks. I did not take any notice of that at that time.

Q By whom was it signed ?-A. It was signed by Robert McArthur and by Charles A. Chase, clerk. For two or three days nothing was said, and they sent for me to come to the shop.

Q. Who sent for you i-A. Mr. Chase. He was in general charge of all the tenements and machines and so on. I went to him ; found bim at his house, when he wanted to know whether I was going out of the tenement. It was then about the 10th of October. I said I would like to stop antil after town meeting ; that I had taken an active part and would like to vote for General Butler. He said, “ You cannot." I replied, “I think I can." He said, “I will have you out in about a week." I asked bim, “ Have I no rights!" He auswered, “ Not a God damned right." I told him, “ There is one right I bave got." He asked, “ What is that?" I said, “I have got possession, and I shall hold it until after town meeting, if I can.” Finally, I had three notices and three writs to go to Worcester, but went and voted after all.

Q. You staid there until after the election l-A. I did.

W. If you had been turned out, would that have lost you your vote?A. If I had been turned out I could not have got any place in town, and I could not have gone back to the tenement. Not only that, but the fact was that previous to my getting my notice I had the village in a blaze; pine tenths were Democratic, or for Butler, but after they gave me the notice no man would dare say " Butler" in the village.

Q. Did you not make public the fact that you had been notified I-A. A statement of it was in the Boston Globe. But, as I say, a man did pot dare to say " Butler" on the road.

Q. Had your rent been paid up !-A. Yes, sir. The overseer came

to my son who was employed in the mill and said to him, “I have orders to discharge you; you must not think there is anything between you and I, Tbomas; I am obliged to do it. When this blows over you need not be afraid to come back in any place where I am, as far as you and I are concerned. Do not think that this bas been any of iny business at all."

Q. Did your son get his notice to quit?-A. Yes, sir.

Q. When did he quit?-A. He stopped there a day or two after receiving his notice, and then thought that, as he would have but two weeks to work, he had better leave, and he left.

Q. How was it with your nieces -A. They were not notified.

Q. By general custom the employés are entitled to two weeks' previous notice of discharge ?-A. They do not always get it; sometimes they get it.

Q. When was your son notified !-A. In about four days after I got my first notice.

Q. After this conversation that you had with Chase?-A. Yes, sir.

Q. What effect upon the community politically had this notice to you, turning you out of your tenement?-A. They did not dare say " Butler": all the votes that we got were secret.

Q. Where did the men who worked under the corporation live ?-A. They lived in the village, all around the factories.

Q. Who owns the houses in which they live l-A. The corporation.

Q. Are there some Democrats among them ?-A. There are; I think that nine-tenths of them would be Democratic if they dared to be. There is no honest man who is an operative who is not, in my opinion, and who is not a Butler man particularly.

Q. What do you know of the politics of the operatives ?-A. I will tell you. Some of them told me that they were indebted at the store, that they had little families, and that they must vote as Mr. Chase told them or go out or be refused provisions in the winter. Those were some who were legal voters. I want the committee to understand that onethird of these voters were illegal voters.

Q. How is that?-A. Mr. Ohase makes a list~he is assessor—and they are not obliged to go before the board. It would not make any difference, for they are moving every week. I objected to two of them at the polls last year. I could object to ten who never were naturalized and could not read nor write, but they are brought up and voted like cattle. Teams are harnessed to take them, and they are brought down and brought in the room there, when Mr. Chase tells them the ticket they are to vote, and they vote it. I could mention some who are not citizens of the United States.

Q. State whether or not, so far as you know of it, the borough or town offices are under the control of this corporation.-A. The offices of the town are located in the south of the town, and this Mapchaug corporation is the largest and most extensive in that town. The company have the first selectman and the assessor. One of the McArthurs is selectman and Chase is assessor. Chase collects all the taxes, not only the real but the personal taxes. The poll taxes of the men in the mill are taken out of their wages in the counting-room. The men are paid off by having their money put in envelopes every four weeks; and once a year two dollars are taken out of the pay of the head of every family as taxes. Last year it was something extra, the amount being $2.40, but it is usually two dollars. That is taken from every man whether he is a voter or not. With regard to their carrying voters to the polls, I bave seen them carry up boys eighteen years old and make them vote. They

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