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Mrs. Cox. I have not been approached on the subject.
Senator KNOWLAND. You just came here by virtue of a subpena!
Mrs. Cox. That is right.

Senator McMahon. Do you know if Miss Capibianco is living in Knoxville now?

Mrs. Cox. No. She lives in Welch, W. Va.-
Senator McMahon. Welch?
Mrs. Cox. That is right.
Senator MCMAHON. Is that still her name or has she married since?

Mrs. Cox. I have not heard from her for more than a year, so I do not know.

Senator McMahon. Now, I just want to make sure that the record reflects it clearly; you left the TVA and left Knoxville, when?

Mrs. Cox. I worked through March 1945.
Senator MCMAHox. You have just been down there a little while?
Mrs. Cox. Yes. I work at the Miami Air Depot now.

Senator McMahox. How did you happen to surrender the box to Miss Capibianco?

Mrs. Cox. I did not surrender it. My time was not up with the box. It was rented quarterly. She had been using the box, therefore I left the key with her so she could use it.

Senator McMahon. And you left her the key when?
Mrs. Cox. When I left.
Senator McMauox. When was that?
Mrs. Cox. I left the TVA the last day of March 1945.
Senator McMahon. Thank you.

Senator MCKELLAR. Let me ask a question that I overlooked. What was the number of your husband's box?

Mrs. Cox. He used the same box; 1604.
Senator MCKELLAR. He used what?
Mrs. Cox. 1604. We only had the one box.
Senator MCKELLAR. Your husband had the box too?
Mrs. Cox. He did not carry the key. I had the key.
Senator MCKELLAR. He did not carry the key?
Mrs. Cox. No.

Senator MCKELLAR. And you paid for the box and you were married to him and he used the box too?

Mrs. Cox. That is right.
Senator McKELLAR. When you allowed him to do it?
Mrs. Cox. That is right.
Senator MCKELLAR. That is all.
The CHAIRMAX. Are there any other questions?
(No response.)
The CHAIRMAN. Thank you, Mrs. Cox. I appreciate your coming.
Mrs. Cox. Yes, thank you.
The CHAIRMAN. Is Mr. John M. Frantz here?
Mr. FRANTZ. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAX. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

Mr. Frantz. Yes, sir.

TESTIMONY OF JOHN MARSHAL FRANTZ, ARLINGTON, VA.
The CHAIRMAN. Will you give the reporter your full name?
Mr. FRANTZ. My name is John Marshal Frantz.
The CHAIRMAN: Your residence and your occupation?

Mr. Frantz. I reside at 806 South Oak Street in Arlington, and I am employed as executive assistant at the National Housing Agency.

The CHAIRMAX. How long have you been employed in this capacity, Mr. Frantz?

Mr. Frantz. In this capacity since April 1 of this year, sir. I have been with the National Housing Agency since January 1943.

The CHAIRMAN. What was your former capacity just before this particular assignment?

Mr. FRANTZ. Just before this assignment I was principal budget analyst in the Budget and Accounting Division.

Senator KNOWLAND. Of the National Housing Agency.
Mr. FRANTZ. That is right, sir.
The CILAIRMAX. Prior to that time where were you employed?

Mr. Frantz. Prior to that time I was employed as Director of Organization Analysis in the Federal Housing Authority which is a constituent unit of the National Housing Agency.

The CHAIRMAN. What was the name of that?
Mr. FRANTZ. Federal Public Housing Authority.
The CHAIRMAX. How long was that employment?
Mr. FRANTZ. That was from January 1943 until April 1944.

The CHAIRMAN. And in April 1944 you became executive assistant in the National Housing Agency?

Mr. Frantz. Well, to make it complete, sir, in April 1944 I became principal budget analyst which lasted until March 29, 1945, at which time I went into the United States Navy.

I was discharged from the United States Navy on April 1 of this year.

The CHAIRMAX. You mean of last year, 1946 ?
Mr. FRANTZ, 1946, that is correct.
Senator KYOWLAND. What was your assignment in the Navy?
Mr. Frantz. Seaman first-class in radio technician training.

Senator KNOWLAND. And you have an honorable discharge from the Navy?

Mr. FRANTZ. Yes, sir.

Senator KNOWLAND. Prior to 1946 when you went with the Federal Public Housing Authority, where were you employed ?

Mr. FRANTZ. Would you like me to recapitulate that briefly in chronological order?

Senator KNOWLAND. I would like you to go down categorically in your employment and it will save a lot of questions.

Mr. FRANTZ. All right. Prior to my employment with the Federal Public Housing Authorities I was assistant to the Director of Personnel in the Office of Price Administration. I was employed by OPA in June 1942.

From December 1941 to June 1942 I was employed as management analyst by the Civil Aeronautics Authority-Civil Aeronautics Administration, I believe it was at the time.

From November 1940 to December 1941 I was employed as assistant to the Director of Personnel at the National Youth Administration in Washington.

From September 1937 until November 1940 I was employed by the Tennessee Valley Authority at Knoxville.

Senator MCMAHON. Who was the Chairman when you were hired! Mr. FRANTZ. Dr. Morgan.

Senator KNOWLAND. What was your employment during that period, September 1937 to November 1940? What particular job did you hold?

Mr. FRANTZ. I was employed as under file clerk at an annual salary of $1,260 and successively promoted to the position of junior office procedures investigator, I believe it was called, at an annual salary of $2,300 per annum.

Senator KNOWLAND. Now, if we just, Mr. Chairman, might go back. The CHAIRMAN. Yes.

Senator KNOWLAND. Could you indicate to us what your salary range was in the NYA first and then the CAA?

Mr. Frantz. Yes, sir. I was employed by the NYA at CAF-9 which was $3,200 per annum.

I was first employed by the Civil Aeronautics Administration at CAF-7, $2,600 per annum, and promoted to CAF-9.

Senator KNOWLAND. Which is $3,200 ?
Mr. FRANTZ. That is right, sir.

Senator KNOWLAND. What about your employment in the FPHA and the NHA?

Mr. Frantz. I was originally employed in FPHA at grade 12 which was then $4,600 per annum, and have been promoted subsequently, in connection with the other assignments I have mentioned, to grades 13 and 14, which is my present grade.

Senator KNOWLAND. And what is your present salary?

Mr. FRANTZ, I do not remember the new annual rate. It is about $8,100.

Senator KNOWLAND. Is that basic or is that the total?
Mr. Frantz. That is the total annual salary.
Senator KNOWLAND. That is your present salary?
Mr. FRANTZ. That is right, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. When you were in the Division of Personnel in OPA, Mr. Frantz, what was your salary; do you recall?

Mr. FRANTZ, CAF-12, $4,600.

Mr. Chairman, there was one earlier period of TVA employment that I think the record should show.

The CHAIRMAN. I was going to ask for your employment before September 1937.

Mr. FRANTZ. That is right. From I believe October 1934 through June 1935 I was employed as a messenger in the TVA legal department at an annual salary, I believe, of $810 per year.

Between that time and my reemployment by TVA in 1937 I was a student at the University of Tennessee and had occasional periods of private employment of no duration or consequence to these proceedings.

The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Frantz, I am certain that you are aware that you have been the subject of discussion and testimony in connection with the Dies committee.

Mr. FRANTZ. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. In an investigation into communistic and subversive activities in the Tennessee Valley Authority?

Mr. FRANTZ. Yes, sir; I am.

The CHAIRMAX. And'I believe that you testified at one time before the Dies committee; did you not?

Mr. FRANTZ. That is correct, sir.
The CHAIRMAN. Or did you?
Mr. FRANTZ. A subcommittee of the Dies committee.
The CHAIRMAN. That was sometime in 1940; was it not?
Mr. FRANTż. That is correct, sir. July, I believe.

The CHAIRMAN. The subject of that inquiry, as I have been informed, from the record and from testimony, was to ascertain what, if any connection, you had with the Communist Party or your feeling or your sympathies or advocacy of communistic philosophy and communistic principles?

Mr. FRANTZ. That is correct, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. What do you have to say to this committee about your association or sympathies for or membership in the Communist Party during your past life and experience?

Mr. FRANTZ. I have a brief general statement, sir, if you would like to have me put it in the record at this time.

The CTIAIRMAN. You may read it.

Mr. FRANTZ. Through the courtesy of the committee staff, I have had the opportunity to review the record of some of the earlier sessions, and to note the variety of careless, ignorant, and occasionally malicious misstatements about me and about certain events with which I am familiar which that record contains.

My first impulse was to prepare a lengthy and detailed correction of these misstatements. On further thought, however, and taking into account the importance of the committee's task and the bulk of the record already, it seemed to me that I might be more helpful by limiting my remarks to what appear to be the two or three main points on which I am qualified to speak. I am happy to have the opportunity to deal with them under oath:

(1) The repeated statements in this record to the effect that I am or was a Communist, an avowed Communist, a well-known Communist, and so on, are absolutely and wholly false. I swear before this committee, as I did before the Dies committee in 1940, that I am not and have never been an avowed or secret Communist, or what is known as a fellow traveler. This fact is well known to all who can claim to know me at first hand. Those who have testified to the contrary be· fore your committee speak from their personal prejudice and opinion; they have only remote acquaintance with me, and know nothing whatever of my political opinions or affiliations.

(2) An extensive effort has been made in this record to create the impression that the Communist Party had some substantial part in the events leading up to the removal of James L. Smith as head of the Files Section. It has been suggested that the party planned and carried through the grievance case; that there was collusion between the union and the TVA Personnel Department to deny Smith fair process; that the basic objection to Smith's conduct was his resistance to Communist infiltration; and so on.

I have direct personal knowledge of much that happened in the so-called Smith case.

I was a member of the grievance committee which prepared and pressed the charges against Smith, and I unhesitatingly assert that all the statements and inferences I have referred to above are wholly false and baseless. Those who press them rely heavily on an absurd document which purports to be a letter signed by Henry Hart. I have not the slightest doubt that this so-called letter is a forgery. I make this statement partly because I know Henry Hart and I have never believed that he would under any circumstances write such a letter; and partly because I know what happened in the Smith case (in which Mr. Hart, incidentally, played no part whatever) and I know that the account of it presented in this supposed letter is ridiculous and wrong.

(3) An effort has been made in this record, as I read it, to create the impression that it was common knowledge, common gossip, among TVA employees and among the people of the valley area that TVÅ was rife with Communist activities and that its management, particularly certain individuals who are maligned by name, tolerated and encouraged such activities.

I was a TVA employee and a citizen of the valley, and I can testify that no such impression or common understanding existed. I know this committee will not have failed to note the heavy burden of accumulated spite and long-smoldering resentment with which the record of these witnesses is charged.

I have every confidence that out of the patience and industry of this committee the truth will emerge; and that truth, as I lived with it and saw it, is that TVA is known and accepted in the valley as a great public undertaking, and that Mr. Lilienthal, Mr. Clapp, and the others responsible for its management are known and accepted as able, conscientious, and loyal public servants.

The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Frantz, I want to ask you a question. Did you ever at any time attend any Communist meetings at which speakers who were advocating the Communist philosophy and cause spoke!

Mr. FRANTZ The only such meeting that I can think of, Senator, is a public meeting in Chattanooga, Tenn., addressed by Earl Browder, advocating his own candidacy for the Presidency in 1936. The facts as to that are in the Dies committee report. The CHAIRMAN. Have you ever stated to any person that

you

believe or that you believed—at the time the statement might have been made—that Earl Browder was a good influence in this country?

Mr. Frantz. No, sir. I might have made some statement which, taken out of its context, could be so construed—some statement to the effect that it is a good thing in any country to have all points of view expressed, including Mr. Browder's.

The CHAIRMAN. Do you now, or have you at any time in the past, do you now believe or have you at any time in the past believed

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